Голубой Собачка?

[aciel.livejournal.com]

Has anyone ever seen the cartoon with the голубой puppy and the sailor?

1) Is this supposed to be symbolic?

2) Where could I get a copy here in the U.S., or especially on the Internet?

Comments

[krysochka.livejournal.com]

In fact, what your parents or me remember is not irrelevant, since it concerns stock words that native speakers of Russian would use in a particular epoch. My point was (sorry if I didn't put it clear enough)not that before perestroyka the meaning in question did not exist AT ALL. It did exist within a certain subculture, being virtually unknown to those who did not belong to it. "Goluboj" acquired the meaning "gay" (for the general public) much later than the cartoon was released, that's what I am saying. So, neither "Goluboj schenok", nor the famous TV programme "Golyboj ogoniok" and the children's song "Guluboj vagon" had anything to do with ambigious hints. If you don't believe me, see this (especially the last third of the article): http://www.lovee.ru/sex/gay-blue.htm

[geish-a.livejournal.com]

here, from your article:
Еще в советские времена получил распространение термин «голубой». Я его услышал в студенческие [1977–1983] годы».

1977, heh?

You still don't understand: the fact that your parents didn't know the word or learned it later doesn't mean it didn't exist.

[aciel.livejournal.com]

And if it was really that rare of a term at the time, it would be pretty easy for a writer to get it past the bureaucratic censors, eh?

This might take us a little astray from the original question, but I'll ask it anyway:

Голубой, like gay, is a word with a second meaning which developed later. Today, gay is rarely used to mean just happy in America, unless it's some holdover like a cartoon show (The Flintstones come to mind--"we'll have a gay ol' time"). Is it the same with голубой, or does the "light blue" meaning still take precedence?

[geish-a.livejournal.com]

Light blue is still the main meaning. There are other slang words for "gay", most of them derrogatory. Gay is more or less a neutral word now and definitely has precedence over "happy". "Goluboj" as "gay" is still a marginal slang word, less derrogatory than some others. It's used more like "nut" in the meaning of "crazy". Nut still kept its original meaning :)

[aciel.livejournal.com]

Do gay people in Russia have a word they use amongst themselves?

[geish-a.livejournal.com]

I am sure they do. But I am not a specialist, besides I live in NY :)
I can, however, introduce you to some russian-speaking gay people in LJ and they will be able to tell you. Are you gay, if I may ask?

[aciel.livejournal.com]

I am not. Just curious about the words used. Gay roommate, gay parents. Seems a useful word to know. =)

[geish-a.livejournal.com]

sure :)
so if you are really interested in the subject I can hook you up in my LJ. Let me know.

[aciel.livejournal.com]

Nah, that's alright. It just occurred to me that I know a gay Russian whom I could ask. =)

Thank you.

[krysochka.livejournal.com]

Sorry, but did you actually READ my comment? OK, I can repeat my point: the word was not, until 1980-s, in active use OUTSIDE a certain (gay) culture. The person quoted belonged to it, so of course he knew the word in question, and many more that we still don't know, being not gay.

Let me remind you that the discussion is not about the word, it's about the implications in the cartoon and whether they were put in there by its authors.

[b0bb.livejournal.com]

You're exactly right, ratlet :)

Our opponent geish_a is apparently in a militant mood over anyone who, in her eyes, diminish the value and importance of the gay culture (even if just neutrally stating the facts).

[aciel.livejournal.com]

Guys, cut it out. All of you. =P
It's been a fun discussion. Don't make it something else.