Голубой Собачка?

[aciel.livejournal.com]

Has anyone ever seen the cartoon with the голубой puppy and the sailor?

1) Is this supposed to be symbolic?

2) Where could I get a copy here in the U.S., or especially on the Internet?

Comments

[aldanur.livejournal.com]

Didn't see the cartoon, but I believe the soundtrack is here: http://multiki.arjlover.net/audio/Goluboi_schenok/

[katherine-kinn.livejournal.com]

1. No. It is musical story for children. It was made thirty or so years ago, when the word голубой had only one meaning - light blue.

[maiwen.livejournal.com]

http://multiki.arjlover.net/multiki
417.Голубой щенок :)

[neckapb.livejournal.com]

I may be shallow, but I don't see much symbolism in it. It's just a little story for chilren, with sorta funny characters.

[aciel.livejournal.com]

Sadly, it appears to block non-Russian IP addresses.

[aciel.livejournal.com]

What I meant was mainly that a little blue puppy that feels different from everyone else goes off and lives with a sailor. Seems a bit...something.

[neckapb.livejournal.com]

Well, when we were kids - and the cartoon comes from then - we did not think about such things.

[maiwen.livejournal.com]

Foreign users can download from 4am to 10 am (moscow time)
Try after several hours.

[aciel.livejournal.com]

Of course not. But there are jokes for adults hidden even in Sesame Street, The Muppets (especially!), and of course Harry Potter...

[neckapb.livejournal.com]

Well maybe. However, I want to believe that the cartoons from my childhood were innocent.

but...

[rottenshworz.livejournal.com]

there was quality control. Any "hidden jokes" has no chance of appearing on screen. At least in soviet culture. There was no sex on TV in USSR (c)

Re: but...

[alamar.livejournal.com]

Well, do you remember Мурзилка with their extremelly joke-filled загадками?

Wait, i'll google.
http://www.yuretz.ru/Zagadki_iz_zhurnala_Murzilka_dvadcatiletnej_davnosti_p391.html
Any QC can be bypassed :) And for kid production it was not that hard, I guess...

[khathi.livejournal.com]

Well, I remember it as something from beginning of 80'es -- and THAT meaning was already present then, I believe. After all, if you consider lyrics, the suggestion is quite thinly veiled for someone who knows where to look. Kids surely didn't notice anything, but adults -- I believe that it was some sort of tongue-in-cheek joke from producers.

Re: but...

[khathi.livejournal.com]

Hey, don't make me laugh. Soviet censorship was a huge bureaucratical monster, slow and straightforward, and cunning author could outwit it anytime, and many did.

[neckapb.livejournal.com]

What about the censorship of those days? They were adults, too. And if it were there, they wouldn't let it go.

[neckapb.livejournal.com]

Oh, that's been discussed already.

[khathi.livejournal.com]

They were bureaucrats at first and at most. If you haven't any experience with that folk -- God bless you, you're really lucky. ^_^ A good bureaucrat doesn't even think, when he's working, he just lives by instruction. So it's not all that impossible to trick the one.

[neckapb.livejournal.com]

Anyway, such things sorta indicate how spoilt one is. When I first saw the cartoon, I had absolutely no idea about such hidden meanings, and I liked the movie. Later on, when some people began to attach 'the connotation' to it, I used to become sorta annoyed with their attempts, for it didn't seem very witty to me, and then you can do it about most anything, like - see phallos in every carrot. This is not to say how Good I was, - but rather that it can be there, and it can be there not, so it's up to the spectator to see it or not to see it there, and personally I believe it is not necessarily there at all.

Strong objection

[krysochka.livejournal.com]

No, there was absolutely no such meaning of the word "goluboj" when the movie was released. I can understand how it sounds nowadays ("goluboj, goluboj, ne xotim igrat' s toboj"), but it was only a fable about somebody who's different. Compare with a romantic song of the same epoch: "kogda my byli golubymi". The word stood for everything romantic at that time. Sorry to dissapoint...

[b0bb.livejournal.com]

Couldn't be more wrong.

The cartoon was produced when "голубой" was just "light blue", not "gay" - even if the latter meaning existed in some layers of the society, it was not at all mainstream, and believe me, the artists of "Soyuzmultfilm" were not exactly rebels or socially progressive or dissidents, they most likely didn't know about the meaning or at least didn't care.

It was just "light-blue puppy", it was not an allusion to the gay subculture or something of that sort.

Re: Strong objection

[b0bb.livejournal.com]

> Compare with a romantic song of the same epoch: "kogda my byli golubymi".

Hey, hey, it was "когда мы были молодыми / и чушь прекрасную несли".

However, there was а very popular song of 1960s with the line "снятся людям иногда голубые города".

[b0bb.livejournal.com]

The correct title is "Голубой щенок"

[khathi.livejournal.com]

Certainly might be. And might be not. Now we can only solve it by directly asking the people involved, I believe.

Re: Strong objection

[khathi.livejournal.com]

Well, my point was only that it MIGHT be a tongue-in-cheek joke, not that it definitely was. Word "голубой" certainly already had "homosexual" connotation at that time: just remember Stirlitz jokes originated from the same 70-80'es border, for example this one:

Штирлиц шёл по лесу и увидел голубые ели. Потом он подошёл поближе и обнаружил, что голубые не только ели, но и пили.

And you're certainly wrong about the song. It never mentioned such a word, as it was:

Когда мы были МОЛОДЫМИ,
И чушь прекрасную несли...

[b0bb.livejournal.com]

You can get "Голубой щенок" with eMule from here:
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