Kushat' vs. Est'
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learn_russianWhat are the differences in usage between кушать и есть?
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Date: 2012-01-21 03:43 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-01-21 03:44 am (UTC)In short, кушать is only applicable to children and when you address your guests politely and somewhat archaically: "Кушайте, гости дорогие". Any other use for this verb is a strict no-no. In no circumstance whatsoever an adult male should say "я кушаю", "я покушал" etc.
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Date: 2012-01-21 04:49 am (UTC)You probably shouldn’t say кушать unless and until you know completely what you’re doing, style-wise.
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Date: 2012-01-21 05:50 am (UTC)+1000
Вкушать - enjoy the fruits of something
Date: 2012-01-21 05:19 am (UTC)There are many verbs in Russian to describe this action. From the top of the meaning (just to show the major difference)
есть (to eat) - to eat to appease one's hunger, to absorb the food
кушать (to eat) - to eat for/with pleasure
There is a joke in Russian. A man in a restaurant is speaking to a waiter:
- Неси, для начала, литр водки.
- А кушать что будете?
- Вот ее, родимую, и буду кушать.
One could replace the verb "кушать" with "жрать" ("жрать" means "to gorge", "to eat with no respect to others nor to the food"), this change is possible in Russian, while no one would use the verb "есть" in this context):
- Неси, для начала, литр водки.
- А жрать что будешь?
- Вот ее, родимую, и буду жрать.
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Date: 2012-01-21 07:40 pm (UTC)Although I've mentioned the overuse of кушать by Moldavians and some Southern Caucasians.
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Date: 2012-01-24 09:11 pm (UTC)http://lelyechka.livejournal.com/566125.html?thread=18679405#t18679405
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Date: 2012-01-22 06:22 am (UTC)sorry
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Date: 2012-01-21 08:51 am (UTC)If one uses it when talking about grown-ups he may be considered very uneducated.
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Date: 2012-01-21 02:09 pm (UTC)If you're never ever using кушать we may say your language is poor and bland; but you can also use it when the context is not suitable and confuse your public slightly.
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Date: 2012-01-24 09:03 pm (UTC)Why's that? If one does not have children, he or she will have no occasion to use it at all. The only other occasion, потчевание гостей i.e. repeating Кушайте, гости дорогие is definitely out of fashion now.
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Date: 2012-01-24 09:03 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-01-24 11:16 pm (UTC)I understand that you might think "everything what sounds weird to me is uneducated", but that's poor standing.
That's promoting poorer language because you can't figure out why you need so many words in dictionary. Perhaps we can drop half of those and still feel nothing?
No, I say. You should not be "serious" as in serious cat; you should not be afraid of saying words; you should not frighten other people against having a rich vocabulary but you should be experimenting out.
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Date: 2012-01-25 04:01 am (UTC)I already posted a link to gramota.ru on the subject; here's a quote from Rosenthal (I sincerely hope you know this name; if you don't, you probably should not judge Russian language-related matters):
Глагол кушать стилистически ограничен в своем употреблении: в современной литературной речи он не употребляется в форме 1-гo лица (в 3-м лице обычно только по отношению к ребенку), т. е. практически он используется только при вежливом приглашении к еде. В остальных случаях употребляется его нейтральный синоним есть.
http://sinykova.ru/doc/rosental/styli_xxxv.html
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Date: 2012-01-25 11:54 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-01-25 07:49 pm (UTC)I'd rather be that than some kind of stupid sickly sweet dummy who addresses his coworkers as if they were small children.
>>and start using all sorts of weird words to describe the process
Isn't this exactly what you propose with кушать?
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Date: 2012-01-25 11:09 pm (UTC)However, what I wanted to point out, it's bad when you use "uneducated" to slap a some kind of linguistic behavior, which while sometimes correlating with some dialectal boundaries, have no relation whatsoever to the actual level of education.
Please don't use "uneducated" for anything other than asserting someone's formal education, because this both confuses people on the meaning of "education" and lets you to try and force people to take your (boring, as we've figured out) point of view on the subject.
I was mildly offended, and it's not even that I use "кушать" a lot.
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Date: 2012-01-25 11:13 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-01-26 09:27 am (UTC)"Ложить" is uneducated. "Кушать" isn't.
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