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[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

Hello!
Thank you soo much for your help with the words search and find ( I still consider them different word, just like jump and land, or stumble and fall). I guess I am a nerd, but it was really intresting, and I guess I learnt that Russian verbs are not monogamous...  To conclude, I would be soo greatful if somebody would translate the sentences I wrote below. I am testing my theory that "naxodit' - najti" is an aspect pair, so I need native speakers translations ..;-)

I found my glasses.
I found him in a terrible state.
I find this dish disgusting.
I always find you when I need you.

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[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

Я нашёл свои очки. Я обнаружил их в ужасном состоянии. Я думаю, что это блюдо отвратительно. Я тебя всегда найду, если мне надо :)

(Actually, yes you can say "я нахожу, что это блюдо отвратительно" or, even worse, "я нахожу это блюдо отвратительным", but it's soooo unnatural and calque-ish...)

[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

Thank you!
I rest my case!
Я тебя всегда найду, если мне надо (aha, so one can use the perfective verb najti, as when an action is reapeted, but every action has a result, and was ogranicheno v vremeni. Like for instance "Ja vystrelil tri raza")

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

>Ja vystrelil tri raza")

Consider the following example: "Я стрелял три раза, и все три раза промахнулся" (I made three shots and missed the target all three times.)

[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

But our tescher said it was possible to say "Ja vystrelil tri raza", and that it is an unusual way of using the perfectiv.

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

There is nothing unusual about using выстрелить - since it is not exactly the imperfective form for стрелять. It is a separate verb that has, strictly saying, its own imperfective form - выстреливать. It's only because of the absence of perfective form of стрелять in modern Russian (unlike ancient Russian where it had had a perfective form all right - стрелити) that выстрелить became a logical perfective pair to стрелять, while not completely losing its own imperfective pair.

[malim-praedari.livejournal.com]

"Я тебя всегда найду, если мне надо" doesn't really mean "I always find you when I need you". It means "I will always find you if I need you".

[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

aha, so it should be naxozhu?

[the_motion.livejournal.com]

Right.
Я всегда нахожу тебя, когда ты мне нужен.
But considering the possible meaning of the sentence, it might be "Я всегда найду тебя, если мне будет нужно"

[pitsot.livejournal.com]

Let me try :)

I found my glasses. - Я нашла свои очки (Not sure how to translate Past Simple here)
I found him in a terrible state. - Я обнаружила его в ужасном состоянии
I find this dish disgusting. - Я нахожу это блюдо отвратительным.
I always find you when I need you. - Я всегда нахожу тебя, когда ты мне нужен/нужна

[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

Thanks!

[crimeanelf.livejournal.com]

Heh, it seems this pair находить and найти is not as much in the aspect relation, as it is in the "simple"-"continuous" relation, like ходить and идти, бегать and бежать.

[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

Thanks, I guess thats what makes it hard, that the stems are verbs of motion.

[malim-praedari.livejournal.com]

Я нашёл свои очки.
Я обнаружил его в ужасном состоянии.
Я считаю, что это блюдо [на вкус просто] отвратительно. ("Я нахожу это блюдо отвратительным" is the literal, but awkward-sounding, translation).
Я всегда тебя нахожу, когда ты мне нужен.

[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

spasibo bol'shoe. It is getting more and more clear to me!