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Jan. 21st, 2007 10:55 pm
[identity profile] phineus892.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] learn_russian
I have a question regarding the use of Russian in informal writings; it relates to spelling. I've been reading lots of Russian language LJ's and noticed that some people spell words not as they should be spelt, though this is done on purpose.
For example, фторник instead of вторник, вотка instead of водка, умнайо instead of умное, etc. etc. Also alot of swear words in particular are written like that, but I won't mention them here obviously.
Mostly I think it's the younger peeps that write like that, but it doesn't make sense to me. It's not like it takes less effort to write the words like that, but it almost looks like they're writing the words how they sound.
So, someone who's in the know please explain.
Much appreciated!! :))

Date: 2007-01-21 02:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mawunya.livejournal.com
Well, you're right, that падонки usually use to write words as they sound. But it's only one aspect. This style also consideres writing the words in a way they are not spelled nor sound. This is just for fun, however it becomes difficult to recognize the word, espesially for foreigners. E.g. "кросавчег", normally "красавчик". The meaning of the word can change too. According to previous example normal "красавчик" means handsome, cute; "кросавчег" can be used as commendation (for a good "криатифф" for example^^ ).
As for me, I use it too ^.^ But i don't speak this style, i just use single words.

Date: 2007-01-21 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mawunya.livejournal.com
You know, ab-normative lexis is usually the part of this style.

Date: 2007-01-21 02:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freiburg234.livejournal.com
By "падонки" do you mean "подонки", i.e. riffraff?

Just checking, because I did find the former in the dictionary.

Date: 2007-01-21 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mawunya.livejournal.com
by "падонки"(normal = подонки) i meant those, who use this specific style. Sorry for confusion =)

подонки

Date: 2007-01-21 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freiburg234.livejournal.com
Those who use this particular style call themselves "подонки"?

Re: подонки

Date: 2007-01-21 04:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mawunya.livejournal.com
No. They call themselves according to their style("падонкаффский" style) - "падонки". The word "подонки" is normal and has negative meaning, it's not used to name people using that style.

Научный креатифф

Date: 2007-01-21 04:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freiburg234.livejournal.com
Thanks for the information. Was able to look up the term and gain some insight into this pheonomen. It seems that this is a somewhat jovial attempt by predominantly younger language users to reflect on and synthesise various apparently incongruent elements to form a new style of expressive, articulate a new mood and a new attitude.

Perhaps, an instance of the "youth culture" phenomenon we see almost everywhere.

Here's a recent Vedomosti article that treats the subject.

http://www.vedomosti.ru/newspaper/article.shtml?2006/12/15/117693


Re: Научный креатифф

Date: 2007-01-21 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mawunya.livejournal.com
thx for article ) I really enojoy reading them =))

Re: Научный креатифф

Date: 2007-01-21 06:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-roumor.livejournal.com
i dont know if you have seen this article or not . its abit better than anyones personal opinion in this thread about padonkovski dialect and looks like a piece of good work
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%AF%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA_%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2

Re: Научный креатифф

Date: 2007-01-21 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-roumor.livejournal.com
helding stupid conferences about something you can get from interner within 2-3 hours spent on googling will tell you alot about present state of our science.

this guys just act like its usual dialect. every word of kashenit/padonkofski style can be traced right to its author.

the dialect itself were not created by a bunch of ignorant kids as it might seem. There were some smart guys behind it.

Date: 2007-01-21 02:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freiburg234.livejournal.com
By "падонки" do you mean "подонки", i.e. riffraff?

Just checking, because I did NOT find the former in the dictionary.

Re: Научный креатифф

Date: 2007-01-21 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-roumor.livejournal.com
"medved" and "preved" and "krosafcheg" are non padonkofski words. they were adopted recently.

i just tried to point out roots of padonkofski dialect. it evolves aswell.

Re: Научный креатифф

Date: 2007-01-21 05:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mawunya.livejournal.com
They could be adopted, but now they are part of this style, of couse.

Re: Научный креатифф

Date: 2007-01-21 06:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-roumor.livejournal.com

Во многих случаях неоправданно ставится знак равенства между «языком падонкаф» и более специфичным диалектом, породившим лексику в стиле «превед».

далее тут http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%AF%D0%B7%D1%8B%D0%BA_%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2

Re: Научный креатифф

Date: 2007-01-21 07:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freiburg234.livejournal.com
I think you guys just need to do your own thing and leave it up to others to figure out what's going on.

As they say, "Some make history, some write history".

P.S. The point that "падонкаффский" itself is evolving demonstrates that it, too, is subject to the same laws of nature as the standard language, i.e. "transmute or die."



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