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[gjertsen.livejournal.com]

So lately, when frustrated with a colleague, I've been writing little notes to myself in Russian during meetings to remind myself to be more patient, understanding, etc.
Which led me to realize that I'm not sure if there is an imperative form of "быть."
So two questions basically.
1)How do you say
"Be more patient." in russian?
and
2)Is there any difference in Russian when you are talking to yourself?
"Come on, don't let him get to you." (said to yourself.) There's no difference grammatically in English, just usually a somewhat different emphasis that has no reflection in the word order or usage. But I know that in Russian, emphasis can sometimes be reflected in word order, so I was curious how native speakers would translate a sentence like that.
Thanks.

Comments

[ex-vedeney669.livejournal.com]

1) - Потерпите, пожалуйста!
- Будьте более терпеливы!

[gjertsen.livejournal.com]

my dictionary is defining Потерпите, пожалуйста as ""blow about please."
?

[ex-vedeney669.livejournal.com]

Sorry, but seems like sometiong wrong with your dictionary dictionary.

Потерпите --> терпение

[gjertsen.livejournal.com]

whoops. The way my dictionary deals with perfective verbs is to just list the imperfective and then send you back through the dictionary looking for that word to find the english definition. (Are there dictionaries out there that don't do this?)
As a result, I got some letters confused looking for the definition. It's happened before...
thanks

[gjertsen.livejournal.com]

I ended up at трепать. oops.

[oryx_and_crake]

"трепать" is not "to blow" either. It is "to thrash" or "to dishevel". Something is definitely wrong with your dictionary.

[gjertsen.livejournal.com]

it's harper-collins.
it defines трепать as
to blow about, to pat, to toss.. plus some expressions
if my dictionary is misleading me, then I need to do something about this.

[oryx_and_crake]

Well, I guess you could define растрепанные волосы as "blown-about hair", but in general those two words are not close at all. I like Multitran's version better:
http://www.multitran.ru/c/m.exe?HL=2&L1=1&L2=2&EXT=0&s=%F2%F0%E5%EF%E0%F2%FC

[oryx_and_crake]

Thinking more about it, you could say something like Ветер треплет белье на веревке (The wind blows and makes the clothes dance on a washing line), but, again, it does not mean that these two words are generally close; the act of blowing is not inherent in трепать.

[bolnaia-sobaka.livejournal.com]

Why would you say вы to yourself though? When you talk to yourself, don't you use ты?

[staring-frog.livejournal.com]

Of course we use "ты".

[gjertsen.livejournal.com]

so
Будь более терпеливa?

[campocebe.livejournal.com]

it's ok

[staring-frog.livejournal.com]

Yes, and "будь терпеливее". (this is "patienter", if such word ever existed in English).
Both variants are OK.

[satis-verborum.livejournal.com]

быть (infinitive) - будь(imperative, singular) - будьте(imperative, plural)

[campocebe.livejournal.com]

I would say:
1) ПОТЕРПИ! or Будь более терпимым(ой) к...(smb.'s stupidity and so on - like BE tolerant!)
2) не позволяй ему вывести себя из терпения (if the second sentence is also this context dependent

[gjertsen.livejournal.com]

is ПОТЕРПИ! sort of like saying "Patience!"

[campocebe.livejournal.com]

I quess so

[gjertsen.livejournal.com]

would a literal translation of 2) be
"Don't allow him to take your patience" ?

[campocebe.livejournal.com]

yes

Using the comparative of the adjective...

[colonelrabin.livejournal.com]

... you coul also say simply: "будь терпеливее".

[satis-verborum.livejournal.com]

1) The literal translation is "будь терпеливее". But I would say "потерпи", it sounds more natural, I think.
2) Come on, don't let him get to you - "Не давай ему тебя довести".
There is no difference in word order when you're talking to yourself.

[gjertsen.livejournal.com]

довести in my dictionary is basically defined by a list of idiomatic usages...what does it mean here?

[campocebe.livejournal.com]

it is like to drive smb. out of his wits, to drive smb. to distraction; to drive smb. crazy

[satis-verborum.livejournal.com]

Довести, доводить - to exasperate, to try someone's patience.
There is also an expression "довести до белого каления" with the same meaning .

[oryx_and_crake]

I would say "спокойствие, только спокойствие!" It is not an exact translation but it is a quote from a popular cartoon character (Karlsson-on-the-roof from Astrid Lindgren's book) and it will make you smile and relax a little anyway.

I adore this one!

[portugalist.livejournal.com]

moreover, it's a very funny and popular frase :))))

Yesss!

[colonelrabin.livejournal.com]

Just an EXTREMELY popular one, even presently, although the cartoon was made 1968.

Re: Yesss!

[portugalist.livejournal.com]

You agree with me that everyone in Russia loves this brilliant cartoon character?

[colonelrabin.livejournal.com]

Yes, but we're already off-topic.

indeed!

[portugalist.livejournal.com]

:-) спокойствие, только спокойствие! ;-)

I feel I need re-read Karlsson one more time :)

[ex-ex-zhuzh.livejournal.com]

Are you looking for a mantra to calm yourself down? Look no further! Repeat after me:

Я спокоен. Я абсолютно спокоен. У меня тёплые ноги и мокрый холодный нос. Я совершенно спокоен etc

On a more serious note, (1) is терпение! or потерпи! and (2) is more or less спокойно! (or успокойся! or спокойствие!) не обращай (на него) внимания! (that's "calm down, don't pay attention to him", because more literal translations of "don't let him get to you" are bulky and inefficient. «не позволяй ему вывести себя из терпения», ouch!)

[campocebe.livejournal.com]

it's her) она спокойна

[gjertsen.livejournal.com]

lol.
"I am calm, absolutely calm. I have warm legs and a wet cold nose. I am completely calm"??? (or is my dictionary screwing with me again.)
I am sort of writing affirmations to myself. I don't write in english because I would feel very stupid if someone saw me writing "Be patient, he doesn't know how stupid he is." or "You can win!" It's actually kind of satisfying, though in the moment it can lead to some questionable russian.
Last week I wrote:
Я хочу как он нет здесь.
Because I couldn't remember the verb for "to go away."
There is a native russian speaker in my department, but I think if he saw any of it, he probably wouldn't rat me out. And anyway, there's no guarentee he could read my russian script. :)

[portugalist.livejournal.com]

я хочу как он нет здесь

это что??? what is it?

[gjertsen.livejournal.com]

lol. it's me writing russian without a dictionary or textbook at hand.
I meant
"I wish he wasn't here"

[portugalist.livejournal.com]

я бы хотел(а), чтобы его тут не было :)

[gjertsen.livejournal.com]

lol.
well, if i'm just going to use russian as my personal code language I guess I can make all the mistakes I want..
I guess it's good to know that the native speaker wouldn't even know what I was writing, lolol.
thanks.

[portugalist.livejournal.com]

well, your frase was a bit strange :-) But it's OK. Everyone makes mistakes in learning languages :) It's useful :)

[oryx_and_crake]

"Я хочу, чтобы его здесь не было."

[danvolodar.livejournal.com]

Я спокоен. Я абсолютно спокоен. У меня тёплые ноги и мокрый холодный нос.
Я совершенно спокоен, я вообще спокойный пес.

//с холодным носом такая ассоциация ;)

[gjertsen.livejournal.com]

well I have to admit that that definition is a little weird to me... I've never heard the words "deckle" or "swingle" or "scutch" (though I guess they could be Britishisms or archaic or something.) And the word "brake" means almost always to use the brakes on a bicycle or car. They also list "break" which has a totally different meaning. So it's all a little confusing to me.

misthread

[gjertsen.livejournal.com]

meant to be a response to orynx and crake's multitran link above.

Re: misthread

[oryx_and_crake]

They are trying to give all the possible meanings including highly specialised ones of which you may have never heard, not being, for example, an agriculture specialist. E.g. swingle and skutch refer to the processing of flax and hemp to make threads (or cloth, or ropes, eventually) out of the raw plant material. (There are words "flax" and "hemp" in brackets after these ones, to indicate that these are special terms only applicable in some particular cases).
At the bottom of the page you will find the same set of words broken down domain-wise (e.g. General usage, Agriculture, Slang).

Re: misthread

[gjertsen.livejournal.com]

oh, okay. Wow, it's really comprehensive. It's just kind of strange to discover all the words that english has that i don't know...