полив

[serialcondition.livejournal.com]

what does "полив" mean in the following context:


полив -- байстрюк великого и могучего -- один он утеха и отдохновение
...
полив есть полиассоциативное семантико-фонетическое явление, порождающие квазилогику. Полив -- экстаз языка.

the tone of the article is mock-heroic
but I cannot figure this word out

thanks, t.

Comments

[oryx_and_crake]

полив might be from поливать бранью which is "to shower with curses"/"to scold someone".

Then the phrase makes sense:
полив -- байстрюк великого и могучего -- один он утеха и отдохновение
The swearing is a bastard child of the great and mighty [Russian language - this is an allusion to Turgenev's famous poem in prose]

[serialcondition.livejournal.com]

aha that makes sense -- I suspected it had something to do with 'unofficial' language ...
but all I got from dictionaries was "watering" and such... so I thought hm maybe it's about drinking

thank you very much,

t.

[oryx_and_crake]

P.S. The exact quote from Turgenev:
"Во дни сомнений, во дни тягостных раздумий, ты один мне поддержка и опора, о великий, могучий, правдивый и свободный русский язык."

[serialcondition.livejournal.com]

> полив might be from поливать бранью

would this word, then, be familiar to people or are the authors coining it? what would be your thought?

thanks again,
t.

[oryx_and_crake]

Actually, I never came across this usage before, but it does not mean anything - let's wait and see what other community members say.

[ex-ex-zhuzh.livejournal.com]

полив is "watering" (as in "watering the plants"), from поливать.

Поливать кого-либо бранью is "to spew profanities at someone". I guess the author could mean just that, but it's unclear without more context.

[serialcondition.livejournal.com]

that's pretty much all the relevant context

полив -- байстрюк великого и могучего -- один он утеха и отдохновение. Укрытие алогизма нелепицы от разбушевавшихся причинно-следствинных связей. Если не он, то кто ответит божественной глоссолалией, чудным ангельским языком на тусклый и серый глаз будней

и так далее в том же духе

the article is on Moskva-Petushki -- "Strasti po Erofeevu"

[ted-strife.livejournal.com]

it's a damn terrific context =\
Erofeev speaks very specific and sometimes extremely difficult language so it's not always possible to understand what he's trying to say.

[serialcondition.livejournal.com]

Yes he does

it's not his writing though
it's an article ABOUT M-P

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

Then the author triesto be more of a saint than the Pope, you know, i.e. to sound more complex than the object of his, er, study. Generally speaking, the sentences you provide are just a bunch of nonsense -- or at least this all can be said in much simpler words.

BTW there is also one more slang meaning of полив - it is from the musicians' slang; поливать means "to play somebody's axe or horn really fast," so полив is "an episode of a really fast playing on somebody's axe or horn."

[serialcondition.livejournal.com]

> Generally speaking, the sentences you provide are just a bunch of nonsense -- or at least this all can be said in much simpler words.

Yes it can be said in simpler words. But it captured the carnivalesque spirit of M.P. and straight faced criticism fails miserably at that. Actually the article was quite brilliant for a number of reasons and one of very few that actually understood Erofeev, in my opinion -- this isn't the forum for that discussion though

> there is also one more slang meaning of полив - it is from the musicians' slang

is this known only in a musical community?

t.

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

I do not doubt the [possibly really high] qualities of the article. I say that, taken outside the context, the sentences you provided made little sense besides their grammatical form. It is clear that you have to read the whole to appreciate it, and that this is no place for discussing that [invisible to us] whole.

As of the word полив/поливать as "producing a lot of fast notes," yes, many people outside the musical commmunity would use that as well, since the appreciation of certain types of music employing полив or even поливалово a lot - like heavy metal rock - is not restricted to the musical community only.

[oryx_and_crake]

It might be a riddle but quite a solvable one, definitely not nonsense, and the allusion to Turgenev's "poem in prose" just jumps at you. I am pretty sure I guessed right.

[staring-frog.livejournal.com]

Wow! Don't read this crap!
Being a native speaker, I don't see any sense in this text.
Read Москва-Петушки instead :))

[serialcondition.livejournal.com]

it's not crap

[monarchistka.livejournal.com]

Neither did I. Поливать as a verb is more common but the noun полив sounds for me like the author has coined (?) it. It could also be a slang word.
The normal meaning of полив is watering - just like the dictionaries say. :)

[temcat.livejournal.com]

In this context it's most likely "поливать бранью". In musician slang, поливать means to perform a fast improvisation.