[identity profile] 1margaret7.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] learn_russian
how do you make the letters in the russian language?
they seem all wierd to me..

Date: 2004-05-10 06:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] superslayer18.livejournal.com
Do you mean how do we type them or how do we read them or how do we write them or what?

Date: 2004-05-10 06:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hockeyophile.livejournal.com
...Just like the Roman alphabet seems weird to Russians...:-)

Date: 2004-05-10 06:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] noser.livejournal.com
Yeah, but it usually stops looking weird... just after one grows up :) (which is not the case with [livejournal.com profile] 1margaret7 yet, I'm afraid)

Date: 2004-05-10 07:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] superslayer18.livejournal.com
I definately agree. I've only been reading Cyrillic for like 6 months, and I have thought it was beautiful in a way for a while now. The same with Arabic script or Japanese script. Can't read it, but I think its pretty, not "weird". Weird is a word too parochial for me to use often.

Date: 2004-05-10 08:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hockeyophile.livejournal.com
Yeah, you get used to reading a new alphabet after a while. And I can't begin to tell you how awful I think Russian looks when it's written in the Roman alphabet (although I currently have to do that because my computer fonts are messed up...it drives me nuts though!). I've just gotten so used to seeing it in Cyrillic that you can't imagine it in any other alphabet except the one it was meant to be written in. In fact, I know some Czech as well, and when I see cognate words between Czech and Russian, the Czech word looks more strange to me because it's simply the Russian word written in the Roman alphabet (since the languages are related). I guess it's because Russian was the first Slavic language I learned and so it's more natural for me to associate all Slavic languages with the Cyrillic alphabet, even though that's totally not the case. :)

Wow, I just went off on a major tangent there.

Oh, and the Cyrillic alphabet has become so ingrained in my mind that sometimes I'll even read English words with the Russian sounds for letters that exist in both languages but are used to represent different sounds. For example, I'll look at the English word "bend" and read it like "vend," etc. :)

Date: 2004-05-10 08:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] superslayer18.livejournal.com
haha that has happened to me as well, and the other way too! I sometimes pronounce a word written in russian perfectly... except I say "p" instead of the "r" sound its supposed to make.

Date: 2004-05-10 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orpheus42.livejournal.com
I totally do that with both Greek and Hebrew. Let me tell you, the Hebrew alphabet was a pain to learn but it's beautiful now. I can't stand transliteration anymore. I totally have to make myself pronounce p's as p's and not r's and a few other little things.

Date: 2004-05-11 08:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pallasathene82.livejournal.com
The same thing happened to me. I'd especially write in Russian when I meant to write in English, like confusing the "D's" especially. Thus why I only write in cursive for Russian and not in English.
Plus I just like hearing people speak Russian...after so many years of being around it it's familiar and soothing.
I wish AIM allowed for cyrillic characters. :p

Date: 2004-05-11 03:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] noser.livejournal.com
> did i ever CLAIM to be grown up?

No, of course you didn't mention your age. That would be like stating the obvious.

Date: 2004-05-10 07:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] superslayer18.livejournal.com
Very interesting (and I would imaging true) observation!

Date: 2004-05-10 07:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] piglet-the-4th.livejournal.com
Russian alphabet based on the Greek one - that’s all. If you will start thinking that before the Roman Empire there was something else, some of your problems will disappear.

Date: 2004-05-11 03:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] piglet-the-4th.livejournal.com
Sorry! You can use insert symbol command and scroll down in normal text font. You will find Cyrillic symbols just below Greek.

Date: 2004-05-10 08:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blindmonk.livejournal.com
Разве это проблема выучить этот простой язык? :)

Date: 2004-05-11 08:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolk-off.livejournal.com
I would love to remind that this community's working language is English. Examples in Russian are OK, but not entire posts, OK?

Date: 2004-05-11 03:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blindmonk.livejournal.com
Sure, I was just wondering :0

By the way, if people need a decent translator it is here: http://www.worldlingo.com/products_services/worldlingo_translator.html

Obviously, not perfect, but maybe it might be a useful tool for some.

Date: 2004-05-11 02:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karashi.livejournal.com
Honestly.

You were rather vague in your request, so please have patience with these people who want to help. In truth, blatant rudeness is not helping you or your case much.

That said, here is the Russian keyboard layout.

Ё(ё) 1(!) 2(") 3(№) 4(;) 5(%) 6(:) 7(?) 8(*) 9( 0)
Йй Цц Уу Кк Ее Нн Гг Шш Щщ Зз Хх Ъъ /\
Фф Ыы Вв Аа Пп Рр Оо Лл Дд Жж Ээ
Яя Чч Сс Мм Ии Тт Ьь Бб Юю .,

If you want to be able to type in Russian (and here I will assume your run Windows XP), open the Start menu. Go to Control Panel, and select "Regional and Language Options." Select the "Languages" tab, and click "Details." Towards the middle of the page, click on the "Add" button. Select "Russian" as the language you want to add, and then add it.

If you don't run Windows XP, go to Microsoft.com and search for the Russian language pack.

If you run another sort of operating system, I can't help you.

Date: 2004-05-13 10:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_graphomaniac/
Must say thanks for that diagram - I've been typing e-mails and the like in Cyrillic for a while now, but a snail moves faster than I type and it can be frustrating. (I was debating pasting tiny Cyrillic characters to their corresponding keys...) That's a really handy keyboard representation, and now I know where the Ё key is. Thankee.

Date: 2004-05-11 07:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ----vladimir.livejournal.com
they seem "all weird" to you ?

what does that mean ?

i dont know what wtv is either.

Date: 2004-05-11 02:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ----vladimir.livejournal.com
yeah...

its a foreign language.

- not all languages use the same alphabet.
the reason people are confused by your post is because this is completely axiomatic; of course the letters would look "weird" to someone who doesnt know the cyrillic alphabet. your post made it sound as if youd for some reason expected to recognize or understand the letters even though its a completely different alphabet from english. (you seem irritated by the comments youve gotten, so i wanted to explain why everyone probably reacted the way they did.)

youre very rude missy.

Date: 2004-05-11 03:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ----vladimir.livejournal.com
i wasnt questioning in any way your asking about how to type cyrillic.

i was very clearly questioning your subsequent statement.



also, seeing as youve been so rude,
learn english, sweetie. DIFFERENT. not 'differnt'. the first time i assumed a typo, but alas the mistake has been repeated. i also considered that it could be representative of some kind of accent or writing style, but i doubt that is the case either. i have my money on a plain and simple inability to spell.

if, however, im wrong about this, my apologies.

Re: youre very rude missy.

Date: 2004-05-11 03:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ----vladimir.livejournal.com
yes, i knew what you meant when you typed 'differnt', as well as your numerous grammatical errors, which i didnt bother to point out for this reason.

i did not understand 'wtv' in any way.

the lesson here is that you shouldnt be assuming people know what you mean. if you learn anything from these comments/the failure of your post, it should be that.

Re: youre very rude missy.

Date: 2004-05-11 03:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karashi.livejournal.com
Please stop being so rude.

This is turning into a ridiculous online catfight.

By the way, I did reply to your original question.

right

Date: 2004-05-11 03:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ----vladimir.livejournal.com
yeah. i did ask. thats what my original comment was. i asked what you meant by weird. remember.

Date: 2004-05-11 03:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] throughblueeyes.livejournal.com
this is really quite entertaining =)

Why do you want to make the letters, anyway?

Date: 2004-05-12 08:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yumanite.livejournal.com
...If you don't know (and apparently aren't learning) Russian?

Testing: грелка

Hey, it works! I'm generally a look-typer, though, so this will be a pain for me until I get it memorized. Dumb question -- it is alphabetic order, right?

Re: Why do you want to make the letters, anyway?

Date: 2004-05-14 04:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolk-off.livejournal.com
No, the order of Russian letters on the computer keyboard is not alphabetic, just like it is not alphabetic on Latin keyboard.
On the keyboard it is (letter rows only)
ЙЦУКЕНГШЩЗХЪ
ФЫВАПРОЛДЖЭ
ЯЧСМИТЬБЮ
While the alphabetic order is
АБВГДЕЖЗИЙКЛМНОПРСТУФХЦЧШЩЬЫЪЭЮЯ
The keyboard layout, like in Latin-based languages, has more to do with how frequent this or that letter is being used in the language, the most frequently used ones being placed in the center of keyboard.

Re: Why do you want to make the letters, anyway?

Date: 2004-05-14 08:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yumanite.livejournal.com
Hmm, that makes it harder for us newbies!
Thanks for the info, though; it will come in handy for me someday.

harder for us newbies

Date: 2004-05-14 10:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolk-off.livejournal.com
hehe.. just imagine how difficult it was to us oldies :)
when I just started to type, aged 12 (at that time it was just a typing machine, not a computer) I've been asking everybody why on Earth they did not put the Russian letters in plai alphabetic order?
When I started to type in English on a computer, some 12 years later, I kept asking the same, at that time concerning Latin letters :)

Re: Why do you want to make the letters, anyway?

Date: 2004-05-14 02:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tommygirl.livejournal.com
that was VERY helpful.
thank you!

I'm Slavic and can comprehend Russian quite well,
but have never really immersed myself in learning to
read or write it...until this year.
and hence, I am now a member here.

If you scroll through some of the sillyness,
the comments here were quite helpful.
:)

Re: Why do you want to make the letters, anyway?

Date: 2004-05-15 07:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kruglov.livejournal.com
not ...ЬЫЪ... but ...ЪЫЬ...

Date: 2004-05-13 08:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolk-off.livejournal.com
Bravo, bravo.
It was really entertaining, thanks all.
Let's get back to Russian language issues, if you don't mind :)
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