I definately agree. I've only been reading Cyrillic for like 6 months, and I have thought it was beautiful in a way for a while now. The same with Arabic script or Japanese script. Can't read it, but I think its pretty, not "weird". Weird is a word too parochial for me to use often.
Yeah, you get used to reading a new alphabet after a while. And I can't begin to tell you how awful I think Russian looks when it's written in the Roman alphabet (although I currently have to do that because my computer fonts are messed up...it drives me nuts though!). I've just gotten so used to seeing it in Cyrillic that you can't imagine it in any other alphabet except the one it was meant to be written in. In fact, I know some Czech as well, and when I see cognate words between Czech and Russian, the Czech word looks more strange to me because it's simply the Russian word written in the Roman alphabet (since the languages are related). I guess it's because Russian was the first Slavic language I learned and so it's more natural for me to associate all Slavic languages with the Cyrillic alphabet, even though that's totally not the case. :)
Wow, I just went off on a major tangent there.
Oh, and the Cyrillic alphabet has become so ingrained in my mind that sometimes I'll even read English words with the Russian sounds for letters that exist in both languages but are used to represent different sounds. For example, I'll look at the English word "bend" and read it like "vend," etc. :)
haha that has happened to me as well, and the other way too! I sometimes pronounce a word written in russian perfectly... except I say "p" instead of the "r" sound its supposed to make.
I totally do that with both Greek and Hebrew. Let me tell you, the Hebrew alphabet was a pain to learn but it's beautiful now. I can't stand transliteration anymore. I totally have to make myself pronounce p's as p's and not r's and a few other little things.
The same thing happened to me. I'd especially write in Russian when I meant to write in English, like confusing the "D's" especially. Thus why I only write in cursive for Russian and not in English. Plus I just like hearing people speak Russian...after so many years of being around it it's familiar and soothing. I wish AIM allowed for cyrillic characters. :p
whut the hell?? did i ever CLAIM to be grown up? no.. i dont suppose so, seeming as how im only 17. AND... i was asking how to MAKE the letters on the computer... not WRITE them out, dumbass.
sorry im not a 28 year old MAN sitting at home having nothing better to do (OH- SAY LIKE A JOB) than sit around and go online.... AWESOME. i give you a thumbs up for that one.
Russian alphabet based on the Greek one - that’s all. If you will start thinking that before the Roman Empire there was something else, some of your problems will disappear.
You were rather vague in your request, so please have patience with these people who want to help. In truth, blatant rudeness is not helping you or your case much.
That said, here is the Russian keyboard layout.
Ё(ё) 1(!) 2(") 3(№) 4(;) 5(%) 6(:) 7(?) 8(*) 9( 0) Йй Цц Уу Кк Ее Нн Гг Шш Щщ Зз Хх Ъъ /\ Фф Ыы Вв Аа Пп Рр Оо Лл Дд Жж Ээ Яя Чч Сс Мм Ии Тт Ьь Бб Юю .,
If you want to be able to type in Russian (and here I will assume your run Windows XP), open the Start menu. Go to Control Panel, and select "Regional and Language Options." Select the "Languages" tab, and click "Details." Towards the middle of the page, click on the "Add" button. Select "Russian" as the language you want to add, and then add it.
If you don't run Windows XP, go to Microsoft.com and search for the Russian language pack.
If you run another sort of operating system, I can't help you.
Must say thanks for that diagram - I've been typing e-mails and the like in Cyrillic for a while now, but a snail moves faster than I type and it can be frustrating. (I was debating pasting tiny Cyrillic characters to their corresponding keys...) That's a really handy keyboard representation, and now I know where the Ё key is. Thankee.
- not all languages use the same alphabet. the reason people are confused by your post is because this is completely axiomatic; of course the letters would look "weird" to someone who doesnt know the cyrillic alphabet. your post made it sound as if youd for some reason expected to recognize or understand the letters even though its a completely different alphabet from english. (you seem irritated by the comments youve gotten, so i wanted to explain why everyone probably reacted the way they did.)
i am aware that its a differnt language/alphabet... i was just simply asking if anyone know how to make the letters on the computer.. seeming as how people from most english speaking countries have an ENGLISH keyboard... ??
i wasnt questioning in any way your asking about how to type cyrillic.
i was very clearly questioning your subsequent statement.
also, seeing as youve been so rude, learn english, sweetie. DIFFERENT. not 'differnt'. the first time i assumed a typo, but alas the mistake has been repeated. i also considered that it could be representative of some kind of accent or writing style, but i doubt that is the case either. i have my money on a plain and simple inability to spell.
yes, i am aware how to type.. but since its on the computer, in which i am only talking to unimportant people, i could really care less as to how my words turn out. you obviously knew the word i typed, so who really cares?
-AND, if you dont like how i type, or WHATEVER (wtv), then dont talk to me.. its that easy.
yes, i knew what you meant when you typed 'differnt', as well as your numerous grammatical errors, which i didnt bother to point out for this reason.
i did not understand 'wtv' in any way.
the lesson here is that you shouldnt be assuming people know what you mean. if you learn anything from these comments/the failure of your post, it should be that.
hah... yah. i REALLY think that most people could give a shit less as to how people type on the computer. its not like this is english class and everything has to be PERFECT... [wow] and yah, i probably should have used a different word instead of 'WEIRD' or whatever you are trying to say... but i didnt.. so oh well...
and for the assuming part?? if you didnt understand what i was asking, then you simply could have ASKED.. orrrr BETTER YET, just not have replied.
...If you don't know (and apparently aren't learning) Russian?
Testing: грелка
Hey, it works! I'm generally a look-typer, though, so this will be a pain for me until I get it memorized. Dumb question -- it is alphabetic order, right?
i dont exactly want to make 'letters'.. i was just curious as to how you get the letters to be russain, if that makes sense?? but i got it now, thanks.
No, the order of Russian letters on the computer keyboard is not alphabetic, just like it is not alphabetic on Latin keyboard. On the keyboard it is (letter rows only) ЙЦУКЕНГШЩЗХЪ ФЫВАПРОЛДЖЭ ЯЧСМИТЬБЮ While the alphabetic order is АБВГДЕЖЗИЙКЛМНОПРСТУФХЦЧШЩЬЫЪЭЮЯ The keyboard layout, like in Latin-based languages, has more to do with how frequent this or that letter is being used in the language, the most frequently used ones being placed in the center of keyboard.
hehe.. just imagine how difficult it was to us oldies :) when I just started to type, aged 12 (at that time it was just a typing machine, not a computer) I've been asking everybody why on Earth they did not put the Russian letters in plai alphabetic order? When I started to type in English on a computer, some 12 years later, I kept asking the same, at that time concerning Latin letters :)
I'm Slavic and can comprehend Russian quite well, but have never really immersed myself in learning to read or write it...until this year. and hence, I am now a member here.
If you scroll through some of the sillyness, the comments here were quite helpful. :)
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Date: 2004-05-10 08:11 pm (UTC)Wow, I just went off on a major tangent there.
Oh, and the Cyrillic alphabet has become so ingrained in my mind that sometimes I'll even read English words with the Russian sounds for letters that exist in both languages but are used to represent different sounds. For example, I'll look at the English word "bend" and read it like "vend," etc. :)
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Date: 2004-05-11 08:56 pm (UTC)Plus I just like hearing people speak Russian...after so many years of being around it it's familiar and soothing.
I wish AIM allowed for cyrillic characters. :p
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Date: 2004-05-11 02:32 pm (UTC)i just meant that the way the letters LOOK. seem DIFFERENT to me... seeming as how i dont speak the language...
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Date: 2004-05-11 02:26 pm (UTC)did i ever CLAIM to be grown up?
no.. i dont suppose so, seeming as how im only 17.
AND... i was asking how to MAKE the letters on the computer... not WRITE them out, dumbass.
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No, of course you didn't mention your age. That would be like stating the obvious.
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Date: 2004-05-11 02:29 pm (UTC)first of all... i dont SPEAK/WRITE anything russain...
i was simply asking how to MAKE the letters on the computer. thats IT.
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Date: 2004-05-11 08:53 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-05-11 03:08 pm (UTC)By the way, if people need a decent translator it is here: http://www.worldlingo.com/products_services/worldlingo_translator.html
Obviously, not perfect, but maybe it might be a useful tool for some.
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Date: 2004-05-11 02:34 pm (UTC)but it would be MORE HELPFUL if say... you could TELL me how to make them :\
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Date: 2004-05-11 02:49 pm (UTC)You were rather vague in your request, so please have patience with these people who want to help. In truth, blatant rudeness is not helping you or your case much.
That said, here is the Russian keyboard layout.
Ё(ё) 1(!) 2(") 3(№) 4(;) 5(%) 6(:) 7(?) 8(*) 9( 0)
Йй Цц Уу Кк Ее Нн Гг Шш Щщ Зз Хх Ъъ /\
Фф Ыы Вв Аа Пп Рр Оо Лл Дд Жж Ээ
Яя Чч Сс Мм Ии Тт Ьь Бб Юю .,
If you want to be able to type in Russian (and here I will assume your run Windows XP), open the Start menu. Go to Control Panel, and select "Regional and Language Options." Select the "Languages" tab, and click "Details." Towards the middle of the page, click on the "Add" button. Select "Russian" as the language you want to add, and then add it.
If you don't run Windows XP, go to Microsoft.com and search for the Russian language pack.
If you run another sort of operating system, I can't help you.
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Date: 2004-05-13 10:39 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-05-11 07:31 am (UTC)what does that mean ?
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Date: 2004-05-11 02:42 pm (UTC)i just meant the way the letters are.. they are differnt as to what i know...
i dont know what wtv is either.
Date: 2004-05-11 02:59 pm (UTC)its a foreign language.
- not all languages use the same alphabet.
the reason people are confused by your post is because this is completely axiomatic; of course the letters would look "weird" to someone who doesnt know the cyrillic alphabet. your post made it sound as if youd for some reason expected to recognize or understand the letters even though its a completely different alphabet from english. (you seem irritated by the comments youve gotten, so i wanted to explain why everyone probably reacted the way they did.)
Re: i dont know what wtv is either.
Date: 2004-05-11 03:01 pm (UTC)youre very rude missy.
Date: 2004-05-11 03:17 pm (UTC)i was very clearly questioning your subsequent statement.
also, seeing as youve been so rude,
learn english, sweetie. DIFFERENT. not 'differnt'. the first time i assumed a typo, but alas the mistake has been repeated. i also considered that it could be representative of some kind of accent or writing style, but i doubt that is the case either. i have my money on a plain and simple inability to spell.
if, however, im wrong about this, my apologies.
Re: youre very rude missy.
Date: 2004-05-11 03:23 pm (UTC)-AND, if you dont like how i type, or WHATEVER (wtv), then dont talk to me.. its that easy.
Re: youre very rude missy.
Date: 2004-05-11 03:28 pm (UTC)i did not understand 'wtv' in any way.
the lesson here is that you shouldnt be assuming people know what you mean. if you learn anything from these comments/the failure of your post, it should be that.
Re: youre very rude missy.
Date: 2004-05-11 03:38 pm (UTC)i REALLY think that most people could give a shit less as to how people type on the computer. its not like this is english class and everything has to be PERFECT... [wow] and yah, i probably should have used a different word instead of 'WEIRD' or whatever you are trying to say... but i didnt.. so oh well...
and for the assuming part?? if you didnt understand what i was asking, then you simply could have ASKED.. orrrr BETTER YET, just not have replied.
Re: youre very rude missy.
Date: 2004-05-11 03:46 pm (UTC)This is turning into a ridiculous online catfight.
By the way, I did reply to your original question.
Re: youre very rude missy.
Date: 2004-05-11 03:49 pm (UTC)-but yah... i'll stop 'commenting'.
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Date: 2004-05-11 03:49 pm (UTC)Re: right
Date: 2004-05-11 03:51 pm (UTC)same to youno subject
Date: 2004-05-11 03:50 pm (UTC)Why do you want to make the letters, anyway?
Date: 2004-05-12 08:46 am (UTC)Testing: грелка
Hey, it works! I'm generally a look-typer, though, so this will be a pain for me until I get it memorized. Dumb question -- it is alphabetic order, right?
Re: Why do you want to make the letters, anyway?
Date: 2004-05-12 11:19 am (UTC)i was just curious as to how you get the letters to be russain, if that makes sense?? but i got it now, thanks.
Re: Why do you want to make the letters, anyway?
Date: 2004-05-14 04:14 am (UTC)On the keyboard it is (letter rows only)
ЙЦУКЕНГШЩЗХЪ
ФЫВАПРОЛДЖЭ
ЯЧСМИТЬБЮ
While the alphabetic order is
АБВГДЕЖЗИЙКЛМНОПРСТУФХЦЧШЩЬЫЪЭЮЯ
The keyboard layout, like in Latin-based languages, has more to do with how frequent this or that letter is being used in the language, the most frequently used ones being placed in the center of keyboard.
Re: Why do you want to make the letters, anyway?
Date: 2004-05-14 08:53 am (UTC)Thanks for the info, though; it will come in handy for me someday.
harder for us newbies
Date: 2004-05-14 10:20 am (UTC)when I just started to type, aged 12 (at that time it was just a typing machine, not a computer) I've been asking everybody why on Earth they did not put the Russian letters in plai alphabetic order?
When I started to type in English on a computer, some 12 years later, I kept asking the same, at that time concerning Latin letters :)
Re: Why do you want to make the letters, anyway?
Date: 2004-05-14 02:55 pm (UTC)thank you!
I'm Slavic and can comprehend Russian quite well,
but have never really immersed myself in learning to
read or write it...until this year.
and hence, I am now a member here.
If you scroll through some of the sillyness,
the comments here were quite helpful.
:)
Re: Why do you want to make the letters, anyway?
Date: 2004-05-15 07:34 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-05-13 08:07 am (UTC)It was really entertaining, thanks all.
Let's get back to Russian language issues, if you don't mind :)
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Date: 2004-05-13 03:04 pm (UTC)