[identity profile] gnomygnomy.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] learn_russian
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Hello, all! I have another question about usage. :)

So in this snippet, the two are talking about ice cream. I want to make sure I understand the cases at work in these responses, which appear to me to be elliptical.

1 Mom: что ты хочешь, чтобы мама тебе купила?
2 Kid: мороженое!
3 Mom: какое?
4 Kid: жёлтое.
5 Mom: а шоколадное?
6 Kid: и шоколадное хочу смешать .
7 Mom: а ещё что?
8 Kid: и с ним будет леденец рядом .
9 Mom: ага, ещё что?
10 Kid: ничё
11 Kid: и тебя мороженого!
12 Kid: и милы мороженое!

In line 2, мороженое is an elliptical response in accusative case. Is line 3 also accusative? And therefore line 4? And 5?

In line 11, I think the kid is saying "and ice cream for you!" I think the kid left out "для" in this sentence. This is sort of a minor question, but is there a significant difference between saying "это для тебя" vs "это тебе"?

In a completely separate part of the tape, the child is talking about an episode of a kids' show (Лунтик и его друзья, if you're wondering). In the story, a character dresses up as a ghost in order to frighten his friends. The kid in the recording says the friends run around scared, shouting, "спасение от привидения!" Is that an appropriate thing to shout? As opposed to something like, "спаси меня!" or "помоги! это привидение!"

Thank you for any insight you can provide!

Date: 2016-09-15 07:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hyyudu.livejournal.com
No, it doesn't. Мороженное with 2 "н" is gerund (мороженное мясо, for example), and ice cream is written with 1 "н"

Date: 2016-09-15 08:08 pm (UTC)
oryx_and_crake: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
мороженое мясо is also spelled with one н
замороженное мясо - with two

Date: 2016-09-15 08:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hyyudu.livejournal.com
Мороженое (adjective) мясо, but мороженное (gerund) мясо. Замороженное is also gerund.

Date: 2016-09-15 08:48 pm (UTC)
oryx_and_crake: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
See Rosenthal, p.52-2
"В отглагольных прилагательных, образованных от бесприставочных глаголов несовершенного вида, пишется одно н, например: правленый, вяленый, жареный, варёный, мочёный, кипячёный, глаженый, кованый, кошеный, стриженый, стираный, ломаный, мощёный, плетёный, гружёный, плавленый, мороженый..."

Date: 2016-09-15 09:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hyyudu.livejournal.com
Ok, you're right. Two letters would be in "Мясо, мороженное в холодильнике" or something like this.

Date: 2016-09-15 08:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zwilling.livejournal.com
Н/НН-regarding rules are a bit of pain in the ass, see the link in the thread below :)

You're welcome here!

One more checker to estimate

Date: 2016-09-15 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lion-casserole.livejournal.com
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http://www.gramota.ru/slovari/dic/?lop=x&bts=x&zar=x&ag=x&ab=x&sin=x&lv=x&az=x&pe=x&word=%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B5

http://www.gramota.ru/slovari/dic/?lop=x&bts=x&zar=x&ag=x&ab=x&sin=x&lv=x&az=x&pe=x&word=%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9

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