Future and Future Perfect Tenses

[joshthewriter.livejournal.com]

Hello everyone!

I have a question in regards to tenses in Russian. I am trying to practice them based on this website:

http://masterrussian.com/blverbtable.shtml

From what I remember of English Grammar, the tenses work something like this:

• Past Perfect: "He had cooked".
• Past Simple: "He cooked".
• Present Perfect: "He has cooked".
• Present Simple: "He cooks".
• Future Perfect: "He will have cooked".
• Future Simple: "He will cook".

So for instance the last two tenses in Russian would be written as:

• Он приготовит
• Он будет готовить

What I want to understand is do these two tenses have the same meanings and implications in Russian as in English? As in the first case implying "he will have cooked" meaning he will then be free to pursue other activities, whereas with "he will cook" there are no such implications and the emphasis is on the fact that he will be cooking at some time in the future? Всем спасибо!

Comments

[perfect-drugg.livejournal.com]

you're basically right

[kozavr.livejournal.com]

Yes, you are right.
Когда она придет, он уже приготовит ужин.
Когда она придет, он еще будет готовить ужин.

[perfect-drugg.livejournal.com]

не совсем точно, у нас нет твердого акцента на незавершенность действия и даже на его точную связь с событием по времени, тем более что а унгличан это отдельное время, не путай человека

но в любом случае это отличается от future perfect, когда действие уже точно завершено
в русском simple perfect куда более simple, чем в английском и обладает свойствами continuous

это не продолжительное действие в будущем, опять же, не путаем, это действие которое должно будет произойти в неопределенном будущем, не связано с датой начала и мы не знаем ничего о его завершении

как объяснить вопрошающему не знаю, боюсь напутать, а жена отошла, она бы подкорректировала

[kozavr.livejournal.com]

Does he really need all these details right now? :) He got the concept, which works in 95% of cases - it's enough for now, imho

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

Thank you for your input. I would like to remind that the working language in this community is English. It is OK to post ot comment in Russian, but then you are expected to provide translation. Thank you.

[joshthewriter.livejournal.com]

That clarifies a lot! Спасибо! =)

[kozavr.livejournal.com]

I'm sorry, I wasn't correct. In "Когда она придет, он уже приготовит ужин" the cooking is completed. But in "Когда она придет, он приготовит ужин." you may say that he will start to cook after she comes, especially if it's "Когда она придет, он сразу же приготовит ужин" . You'd better consider the context.

[viata.livejournal.com]

You are right about the last two tenses, but the Russian tense system doesn't work like the English one. Which may cause some future confusion. E.g., in you examples both "He had cooked" and "He has cooked" will have the same Russian counterpart: "Он приготовил".
The Russian has three tenses: past, present and future. Он готовил, готовит, будет готовить. It also has two verb aspects: when speaking about a completed action you use совершенный вид глагола (perfect. Kinda) vs несовершенный (imperfect. Again, kinda) for unfinished, continous, repeated action.

So, this is what we have.
Past:
Он готовил - He had been cooking; he have been cooking; he was cooking; he cooked (but failed)
Он приготовил - He had cooked; he had cooked; he cooked (and succeeded)

Present:
Он готовит - He cooks; he is cooking

Future:
Он будет готовить - He will cook (regularly or with uncertain results); he will be cooking
Он приготовит - He will have cooked; he will cook (successfully)

[lillilah]

Thank you! This is incredibly helpful.

[joshthewriter.livejournal.com]

So if I understand correctly it would be more appropriate to say the following:

-В Понедельник вечером он приготовит для его подруга. "Monday evening he will cook for his girlfriend"
-В Понедельник вечерами он будет готовить для его семья. "Monday evenings he will cook for his family (from now until forever)"

Is this closer to the mark? I see that the distinction is quite different from what it is in English, so I just want to clarify the appropriate usage. Thank you all so much for your helpful comments! =)

[viata.livejournal.com]

- В понедельник вечером он приготовит ужин для своей подруги.
Приготовить normally requires an object, and instead of a posessive pronoun referring to the phrase subject you need to use reflexive свой.
And yes, you got the meaning right.

You can also use будет готовить here with a slightly different meaning:
В понедельник вечером он будет готовить для своей подруги (так что не сможет пойти с нами в бар) - Monday evening he'll be cooking for his girlfriend (and won't be able to go to a bar with us)

Он приготовит focuses more on the result while будет готовить focuses on the process.



In the second example the verb is used correctly, although there are few other mistakes. It should be like this:
- Вечерами по понедельникам он будет готовить для своей семьи.

В понедельник refers to one Monday, you need to pluralise if you're talking about a number of them.

[alexyv.livejournal.com]

I think that there's no strong relationship between the Future Perfect and Future Simple to Russian future tense and verb aspect. Both «он приготовит» and «он будет готовить» have no determined time in future. In the former case, it implies that the action, to cook, will be complete at some point. In the latter case, the sentence says about a repeatable or continuous action, it could even mean “he will start cooking”.

So if you want to add that additional information obtained from the English Tense, you should express it by other words.
The same is true about the past tenses, as viata pointed it out in their comment (http://learn-russian.livejournal.com/1054763.html?thread=16177195#t16177195).

[cassandraclue.livejournal.com]

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