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[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

Hello!
Me again, with a really stupid question...
Он сегодня уехал в Израиль
Does it mean that he left for Izrael today, or just that today, he is no longer here because he has left for Izrael. 
And then ther are some words I cant hear, And i cant find the lyrics anywhere:
Скоро стая акул капитала разметает ??? союз (логично былы бы Советский, но...).
 да здравствует частная собственность! рас??? он скромно сказал.

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[oryx_and_crake]

The first, I guess

[zveriozha.livejournal.com]

he left for Izrael today

Otherwise it would be - Его сегодня нет. Он уехал в Израиль.

[natha1ie.livejournal.com]

It means he left for Izrael today.

[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

Thanks! With "I guess" you mean that in a certain context and intonation it could mean the second? When I read the sentence I understand it as the first, but then in the song, the way he says it, it feel like it could be the second. "Today, he has (allready) left for Izrael"

[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

Его сегодня нет. Он уехал в Израиль

That wouldent go with the melody....;-)

[axc.livejournal.com]

"Совейский" - disturbed "советский". Popular folk etymology. But I can't develope this.
"Зардевшись" - synonym for "покраснев".

Pah!

[axc.livejournal.com]

disturbed => distorted

Sorry.

Re: Pah!

[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

Dzyakuy! :-)

[oryx_and_crake]

No, I don't think that the second interpretation is possible at all. A similar (though not exactly the same) could be possible in, say, the situation when you call someone at work and his colleague answers: "Его сегодня уже не будет, он уехал домой." But people do not leave for Israel every day on the clock, do they? That would be somewhat expensive and time-consuming.

In this song, what exactly made you think that it might mean "Today, he has (already) left for Israel"? Even in English, this phrase implies (to me) that he leaves for Israel every day, habitually, which can hardly be true.

[oryx_and_crake]

It is probably "да здравствует частная собственность" - "Long live private property!" "Да здравствуй" does not make sense.

[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

Thanks!!!!

[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

oh, yes of course, I heard that on demonstrartions, it's not "we greet private poperty", but "long live(be healthy) private property!". Shit, I knew that...:-(

[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

Oh, Im stupid "Da zdravstvuj chastvaja sobstvennost'" is actually as if one talkes to private property on "ty". That sounds really akward, i guess!

[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

Yes, you would say "on segodnya zhivët v Izrail" if that was what you meant (and it woudl fit prfectly into the song).
Thanks for helping me think clearer!

[oryx_and_crake]

I'd rather say "он теперь/нынче живет в Израиле". Сегодня in this context is not exactly wrong but sounds a little unusual.

[oryx_and_crake]

Why would one say Вы to частная собственность anyway? :-)

[mytza.livejournal.com]

Lyrics and all references about the song are here:
handbook.reldata.com - just type Коммунисты in the search box and the first link that shows up has all that you need.

[oryx_and_crake]

Strangely enough, after having looked at the song's lyrics (thanks to mytza) I tend to agree with your original suggestion that "Он сегодня уехал в Израиль" might mean that nowadays he lives in Israel. However that would not be the "mainstream" meaning of this expression.

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

I have never, ever used this one, until now:

BWAHAHAHAHAHA :)

[icamel.livejournal.com]

licentia poetica

[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

or you level of irony is to high... I meant it sound akward to talk Chastnaya sobstvennost' as second person.

I didnt mean "ty" as opposed to "vy". I meant "Ty/vy" (second person) as opposed to "ona" (third person).

But you probably understood that that was what I meant...,

[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

Ok, so then it is like in swedish and english basically."Today he has left for Izrael"

With verbs you never know in Russian, there are so many layers... Somtimes ther eis avery precise meaning that you need more words to describe in swedish. (Especially verbs of motion, I will never grasp it). Very often you have to add an adverb in swedish, wicht in Russian is allready in the word.

[no-access.livejournal.com]

I never heard "Да здравствуй", only "Да здравствует" or "Здравствуй".

[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

I meant it sounds akward to talk Chastnaya sobstvennost' as second person (ty/vy,)as opposed to talking about it as third person (ona).

[oryx_and_crake]

Actually it is possible in some contexts to talk to inanimate objects directly.

E.g. if you were writing a popular magazine article about perestroyka, you could write something like: "Прощайте, колхозы! Здравствуй, частная собственность!"
Or, if you were writing about summer holidays (anticipating a trip to the country) you could write: "Здравствуй, лето! Здравствуй, солнце! Прощай, город! Здравствуй, деревня!"