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learn_russianI have a question regarding the use of Russian in informal writings; it relates to spelling. I've been reading lots of Russian language LJ's and noticed that some people spell words not as they should be spelt, though this is done on purpose.
For example, фторник instead of вторник, вотка instead of водка, умнайо instead of умное, etc. etc. Also alot of swear words in particular are written like that, but I won't mention them here obviously.
Mostly I think it's the younger peeps that write like that, but it doesn't make sense to me. It's not like it takes less effort to write the words like that, but it almost looks like they're writing the words how they sound.
So, someone who's in the know please explain.
Much appreciated!! :))
For example, фторник instead of вторник, вотка instead of водка, умнайо instead of умное, etc. etc. Also alot of swear words in particular are written like that, but I won't mention them here obviously.
Mostly I think it's the younger peeps that write like that, but it doesn't make sense to me. It's not like it takes less effort to write the words like that, but it almost looks like they're writing the words how they sound.
So, someone who's in the know please explain.
Much appreciated!! :))
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Date: 2007-01-21 01:52 pm (UTC)roots of this new style lies in the Fidonet. was some kinda "Кащенко" community there named after the psyhiatric clinic. then it all developed into padonkovski slang you can see at udaff.com. Several years back then it was totally new and amazin stream. they even had some paper books published.
now some people totally deny this new movent. some totally in it. and some uses bits of it.
the way we teach russian at our schools was always very conservative. Russian literature and language brings up like the best and most hardest on this planet >..< you might noticed some remarks like "if you want to know russian you have to be borned in russia...". Its totally not true and totally stupid. Me mate John is from Columbia speaks russian pretty cool but when he came moscow 3 years ago he had too make animal noises to explain a sales lady what sort of meat he would like to buy. Second - my English teacher when i lived in GB was the same way about English language. And a french girl i knew back then was the same way about french language ^_^.
Third - literature we study at school is a dead one. i mean many ears ago already dead writers like Gogol, Pushkin, Lermontov. so called golden and silver ages.
Forth - "Мат" is offitially and strictly banned. You will never hear "Х" and "П" words on radio or tv or PC games. You will never see american film with exact translation of "F" words aswell.
Might be this lack of life and supression resulted in a new style of writing and spelling.
So i hope this new informal writing will make our formal one less conservative ^_^. And i hope some day we will write words as we pronounce them. 'cause its just totally stupid right now.
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Date: 2007-01-21 02:03 pm (UTC)agreed.
[quote]i hope some day we will write words as we pronounce them.[/quote]
nevah!
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Date: 2007-01-21 02:14 pm (UTC)They already tried (http://www.gramma.ru/KOL/?id=4.1&PHPSESSID=) to put it into practice. Thanks God they didn't manage to do it!
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Date: 2007-01-21 06:29 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-01-21 10:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-01-21 02:23 pm (UTC)As to having to be born in Russia to know Russian, I haven't heard than in regard to the language but my parents are always telling me that only a Russian can understand Russians and their literature etc. etc. I disagree, since I was born in Russia and I know people who've never even been there and they have a far superior grasp on things Russian, including literature.
And I do agree that language is a thing that should be developed and refined with every generation. Though that's not to say that old forms should be forgotten in their entirety...
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Date: 2007-01-21 02:23 pm (UTC)...and become Byelorussian :)))
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Date: 2007-01-21 05:36 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-01-21 05:44 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-01-21 06:26 pm (UTC)as for me im chuchmek)
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Date: 2007-01-21 06:37 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-01-21 07:11 pm (UTC)