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[belacane.livejournal.com]

How would one say "without having been asked" in russian?

I know that the phrase "without having + verb" is conveyed as не + the perfective aspect of the verbal adverb....

but... I'm somewhat confused.

EDIT -

the entire sentence goes as follows:

"what a good girl! she did the dishes and cleaned the house without having been asked/without being asked."

Comments

[lilie.livejournal.com]

may be не будучи спрошенным

[ex-narvat337.livejournal.com]

не будучи спрошенным

[serpent-849.livejournal.com]

that sounds a bit awkward to me... if it's not important to keep it in passive i would make it active if possible... so не спросив. grammatically не будучи спрошенным is ok though.

[gordin.livejournal.com]

>> if it's not important to keep it in passive i would make it active if possible... so не спросив

It has a different meaning then: 'without having been asking'.

[serpent-849.livejournal.com]

I know, but if you change the sentence to active it will have this meaning.

[belacane.livejournal.com]

but wouldn't не спросив mean that she herself didn't ask....
I want to convey that no one asked her, so she is the object.

[serpent-849.livejournal.com]

but if you say it about the person who didn't ask it won't change the meaning:)

[serpent-849.livejournal.com]

or you could replace with хотя его/её не спросили, он/она ...

[kathleenru.livejournal.com]

can be "когда его/её не спрашивали". would be helpful, if you give the whole sentence.

[serpent-849.livejournal.com]

yes btw, a very good variant.

[belacane.livejournal.com]

the simplest is always the best..t hank you!!!!

[stasenka.livejournal.com]

....хотя ее и не просили.

[dzhu.livejournal.com]

"what a good girl! she did the dishes and cleaned the house without having been asked/without being asked."

In this case "... хотя её и не просили" sounds the best.

Here is another phrase, that may be used in this case: "... без напоминаний" (means "... whithout being reminded"). But to use or not use - it is up to you, I don't know the whole situation.

Anyway, if someone have to do something (and some times ago this person have beign asked to do this) - in Russian the very last phrase is widely used.

[dzhu.livejournal.com]

Addition:


"хотя её и не просили" - a bit negative phrase (because word "хотя" used). It may means that some pesond have done something without another person will or without some consultaion.

"не будучи спрошенным" - slightly official, may be used in some letters I think. But there is no negative meaning.

And another translation:

"без лишних вопросов" - means "without any requests". Someone have done something completely of his own free will.
Almost the same "без напоминаний" means. And this phrase is positive.


So choose the best.

[earth-blue.livejournal.com]

super! :))
That's right answer.

[belacane.livejournal.com]

thank you for your help, i really apprecaite it.

[dzhu.livejournal.com]

Another addition:

"хотя ее никто и не просил" - less negative phrase than "хотя её и не просили".

[aisman.livejournal.com]

"Какая хорошая девочка! Она приготовила еду и убралась в доме, хотя ее никто и не просил.

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

The EDIT part is a smart move, because "to ask" can be translated into Russian as several different verbs with different meanings: "спросить", "просить" and "попросить". The first means "to ask a question," the 2nd "to ask to do something, many times" and the 3rd "to ask to do something, just once." ##s 2 or, in some cases, 3 are applied here; #1 isn't.

[oryx_and_crake]

Please note that "тебя никто не просил это делать" can sound quite negative, meaning in fact "you should have minded your own business"

[belacane.livejournal.com]

ah the subtlties of the russian language.... this is where it starts to get hard.

thank you =D