a new word..

[im-such-a-slav.livejournal.com]

on a train i came across a new word. i think it might be a "bad" word so i put it under an ljcut.



"pizdjosh"

sorry no cyrillic on this keybord



in context it seemed to mean steal, is that right? and is it actually a bad word or does it just resemble a few bad words that i know?

Comments

[kaerf.livejournal.com]

In usual context this word (it's explicit, you're right) means not stealing but talking lies. Ex: "Я могу поднять руками триста килограмм. - Это пиздёж!" - i.e., if you don't believe in someone's speeches you can use this word. it certainly resembles the word "спиздить" that means "to steal". They just have the same root - as many explicit words in russian :)

[http://users.livejournal.com/_marmotte/]

and what do you mean with "explicit word"?

[kaerf.livejournal.com]

the word from the Great Russian Obscene Language :)

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

Many Russian obsenities are regarded in Russian culture as "explicit words"; it is illegal to use them in mass media, this is why one of their definitions is "непечатные слова" (non-printable words, literally.)

[http://users.livejournal.com/_marmotte/]

thanks )
I was just wondering about this term "explicit" that I'd never met before in this context )

[kragoth.livejournal.com]

I thought krast' meant steal too, no?

[dair-spb.livejournal.com]

yes, that's the non-explicit and correct word for "to steal".

[kragoth.livejournal.com]

I'm afraid I still don't understand explicit and non-explicit words. Explicit words are curse words?

[dair-spb.livejournal.com]

wolk_off explained (http://community.livejournal.com/learn_russian/387441.html?thread=5769585#t5769585) this already.

"Explicit words" ("мат", "матерные слова") could be used as curse words as well.

They are not permitted in media, official speeches and so on. Also it is usually said that intelligent (treat "intelligent" as "well-bred" or "well-mannered" here) people shouldn't use it.

As far as I know, "f**k" treated pretty similar in English-speaking countries. However I could be wrong, of course.

[kragoth.livejournal.com]

I see. Well, if that's the case, I know of only one "intelligent" person out of about 400000.

[dair-spb.livejournal.com]

Well, you got the point ;-)

[khathi.livejournal.com]

There was a joke in Soviet times about it:
-- What's the difference between diamat (short for dialectic materialism, a Marxist phylosophy mandatory taught in all hgher edication facilities) and mat (swear words)?
-- Nobody knows diamat, but everybody tell that they do. Everybody know mat, but nobody tells that he do.

[kragoth.livejournal.com]

Wow. I've never heard that one.

[im-such-a-slav.livejournal.com]

basically, exlicit words are offensive words. if you think about the words you know in russian that you would never say in front of your grandmother, those are the explicit ones. there is plenty of grey area, but that is the definition in short.

and all curse words can be considered explicit, in my opinion.

[ex-agorus548.livejournal.com]

пиздёжь = bullshit

[kaerf.livejournal.com]

right you are %)

[noser.livejournal.com]

Only it's spelt пиздёж and is masculine.

[trepang.livejournal.com]

it is derived from the russian obscene verb пиздить, which means 'to tell lies'

[trepang.livejournal.com]

note that the stress is on the second syllable: "пиздить"
пиздить means "to steal" of "to beat someome"

[philena.livejournal.com]

Is пиздить also obscene, or does the different stress fix everything?

[trepang.livejournal.com]

all the words with the root "пизд" (with the initial meaning of vagina) are obscene.

[-ufo-.livejournal.com]

i guess пиздЕть :)
пиздить is stressed on the first syllable and means to steal or fight

[trepang.livejournal.com]

пиздЕть means "to talk a lot"

[-ufo-.livejournal.com]

And to tell lies
Пиздить means to steal or to fight
Don't you agree?

[trepang.livejournal.com]

not quite
my opinion is that пИздить means to beat or to steal, пиздИть means to tell lies and пизДеть means to talk a lot. that's how I always thought

[b0bb.livejournal.com]

You're right.

The difference between "пиздить and "пиздeть" is quite subtle though, and is more noticeable in derivatives.

Note that "пиздить" means not just "to lie", but "to lie outrageously". You usually can't say "Ты напиздил мне вчера с его номером телефона", but you can say "Серый спиздил нам вчера, что он ничего не видел" (for the appropriate audience).

Similarly, "пиздeть" is not just "to talk a lot", but "to talk a lot of rubbish, useless talks". You can't say "Профессор очень интересно пиздел в течение часа об истории Византии", but you can surely say "Колян любит попиздеть о бабах" (for the appropriate audience).

Some more examples:
"Не пизди!" = "don't lie!" or "don't talk rubbish" (depending on the context, as imperatives for "пиздeть" and "пиздить" are the same!)
"Хорош пиздеть!" = "stop this useless talk!"
"Ну ты, бля, распизделся!" = "What bullshit you are talking!"
"Про Вована ты вчера спиздил" = "You lied about Bobby yesterday"

[stephan-nn.livejournal.com]

And п**дЕть is to tell smth? ;)

[trepang.livejournal.com]

yes, to talk much

[meeshootkin.livejournal.com]

It might be interesting to you: in Goblin's translation of "Snatch" it is called Художественный фильм "Спиздели!". It creates a contrast between торжестенность(forgot the word) of expression художественный фильм and the explicity of the last word.

[-ufo-.livejournal.com]

Спиздили, not спиздели

[meeshootkin.livejournal.com]

Sure.

[thevile.livejournal.com]

LoL! What a fanny topic for russians :) Thank u, i'm lauphing $)))

Now u can talk about the world "ХУЙ"! :]

[im-such-a-slav.livejournal.com]

pochemu, ja uzhe dokhuja znaju ob etom slove ;)

[b0bb.livejournal.com]

"Нехуёво!"

[kalsonny-gnom.livejournal.com]

охуенно

at last

[lenny-goofoff.livejournal.com]

we came along similar-looking russian obscenities!
just like we told the difference between мотня, мошна и мошонка to some iinnosent guy from Guyana
i't was fun

Re: at last

[im-such-a-slav.livejournal.com]

could you tell me the difference? i haven't heard any of these before.

Re: at last

[whitest-owl.livejournal.com]

мотня - is a part of pants between legs. Just below zipper.
мошна - purse. small sack for money
мошонка - scrotum

Re: at last

[lenny-goofoff.livejournal.com]

Ditto
мотня - fly (an opening in a garment that is closed by a zipper or by buttons concealed under a fold of cloth: Gooogle definition)

Aforementioned guy just moaned: "Why did you told me? Now I'll mix it up for sure!"

Re: at last

[whitest-owl.livejournal.com]

well... Google is wrong :) At first, this word was used for describing national turkish or kazak's pants. That style of pants has a very-very loose legs. Something like that: http://mr-73164.v-mirror.spb.ru/img/goods/thumbs2/22-11-2004-20-57264.jpg
And at that pants do not have fly at all.

Another meaning of "мотня" is a part of fishing net. But fishing is not in the list of my hobbies, so I can not say what part of fishing net it is exactly :)

Как-то она должна называться?

[lenny-goofoff.livejournal.com]

Heey! Anybody! English-speaking, male, wearing trousers.
How do you call that near-the-zipper department?