handwriting...

[studentka-hb.livejournal.com]

Another question: do native Russians underline the ш in normal everyday handwriting, or is this something that only kids/foreigners do? Ditto with the crossing of handwritten T. Some people say cross them, some say don't, and I'm confused!
Thanks!

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[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

Some do that, some (the majority, I think) don't. I do both, but, after all, I'm just a freak ;-)

[wildash.livejournal.com]

It's up to you )

[-ram-jam-.livejournal.com]

AFAIK, some people underline Ш and cross T because these letters, written in their handwriting are looking the same. So, it's up to you, both variants are OK
PS: Jack Sparrow is so cute))

[rykaine.livejournal.com]

All my Russian professors--who were all native except for one--underlined their ш and crossed their т. I picked up the habit while I was abroad in Moscow, but it was never something I was taught or told to do.

[ikalit.livejournal.com]

it could be because they were teaching - to make their handwriting more clear. it doesn't mean that all of them would do it in another situation as well.

[oryx_and_crake]

It is entirely up to you. In standard прописи (a workbook with calligraphy samples we had to copy at school) there was neither underlined ш nor crossed handwritten т. Both are individual traits of one's handwriting that you may adopt if you want to, but you don't have to.

[nemica.livejournal.com]

I always thought that it's old fashioned to underline ш, because I've only seen elderly people ever did it. But I could be wrong.

[b0bb.livejournal.com]

You're absolutely right.
In 1950's, maybe in 60s as well, it was taught in school to cross "т" and "ш".
The new handwriting rules (in effect at least from 70s) eliminated this practice.

[platonicus.livejournal.com]

Underlining Ш - a bit old-fashioned style, I'd say

[gera.livejournal.com]

Agree.

[ashalynd.livejournal.com]

I don't, and my handwritten т in half of the cases looks like its printed variant (it is called lazyness I know... ) As a matter of fact, few people manage to keep their nice handwriting habits after high school or university... so it is a question of style how many details you care to reproduce in your manyscripts :)

There are also people who always write the dots above ё :)

[studentka-hb.livejournal.com]

the dots above the ё thing is very important for us non russians who don't know all the words... But all the (non-teaching) russians don't seem to bother with them - do all russians just know all the ё words?!

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

> do all russians just know all the ё words

there's not that many, after all :)

[b0bb.livejournal.com]

Yes, the literate Russians usually do.
To dot ё is mandatory in school, and many keep this cute habit long after (like me). By the way, in fast handwriting the dots are often replaced by the overscore (I, for one, do that).

[vimvim.livejournal.com]

To spell that words with Е instead of Ё is NOT a mistake. The most of native Russians do so. But this is not the same for Й and И. You have to write Й.
I agree that to underline Ш is old-fashioned. My mother has been taught to underline it, but when I went to my school there was no underlining of Ш any more.

[beltspinner.livejournal.com]

i'm confused, what do you mean crossing the T?

[b0bb.livejournal.com]

_
m = Russian "т" in classic handwriting

[nur-ein-tier.livejournal.com]

in cursive, the letters т & ш are very similar looking; just a few loops, when writing they could be mixed up so some put a line under ш and a line over т.

[beltspinner.livejournal.com]

maybe I've been doing mine weird for the past year, but my T and SH don't look anything alike

[ekeme-ndiba.livejournal.com]

In quick writing, both т and ш may both look like handwritten ш, so crossing т and underlining ш sometimes are necessary for disambiguation (by the way, kids are taught to write them in different manners, but the faster you write the more similar these letters are).

[gailochka.livejournal.com]

+1

And the same looking 3 curves crossed in the middle would mean "ж"

[aliamosca.livejournal.com]

Actually it doesn't matter if you underline o not. What about the letter Д? Whow do you write it? cause there are also 2 ways of writing it. I don't know how to explain: "the tail" of the letter can go down (a standart form) and also can go up.

[ashalynd.livejournal.com]

When I was at school the "right" way was with the tail down, but I personally write it with the tail up. I started doing it out of stupid adolescent desire to be original, I suppose, and then the bad habit remained, as most bad habits do :) I like it more the "up way" though.

[meeshootkin.livejournal.com]

+1

[prosto-gratia.livejournal.com]

What I want tell you: in one word with 2 (or more) "T" I usually cross one "T" and don't cross another:))) I don't know why:))