handwriting...

[studentka-hb.livejournal.com]

Another question: do native Russians underline the ш in normal everyday handwriting, or is this something that only kids/foreigners do? Ditto with the crossing of handwritten T. Some people say cross them, some say don't, and I'm confused!
Thanks!

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[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

Some do that, some (the majority, I think) don't. I do both, but, after all, I'm just a freak ;-)

[wildash.livejournal.com]

It's up to you )

[-ram-jam-.livejournal.com]

AFAIK, some people underline Ш and cross T because these letters, written in their handwriting are looking the same. So, it's up to you, both variants are OK
PS: Jack Sparrow is so cute))

[rykaine.livejournal.com]

All my Russian professors--who were all native except for one--underlined their ш and crossed their т. I picked up the habit while I was abroad in Moscow, but it was never something I was taught or told to do.

[oryx_and_crake]

It is entirely up to you. In standard прописи (a workbook with calligraphy samples we had to copy at school) there was neither underlined ш nor crossed handwritten т. Both are individual traits of one's handwriting that you may adopt if you want to, but you don't have to.

[nemica.livejournal.com]

I always thought that it's old fashioned to underline ш, because I've only seen elderly people ever did it. But I could be wrong.

[platonicus.livejournal.com]

Underlining Ш - a bit old-fashioned style, I'd say

[ashalynd.livejournal.com]

I don't, and my handwritten т in half of the cases looks like its printed variant (it is called lazyness I know... ) As a matter of fact, few people manage to keep their nice handwriting habits after high school or university... so it is a question of style how many details you care to reproduce in your manyscripts :)

There are also people who always write the dots above ё :)

[studentka-hb.livejournal.com]

the dots above the ё thing is very important for us non russians who don't know all the words... But all the (non-teaching) russians don't seem to bother with them - do all russians just know all the ё words?!

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

> do all russians just know all the ё words

there's not that many, after all :)

[ikalit.livejournal.com]

it could be because they were teaching - to make their handwriting more clear. it doesn't mean that all of them would do it in another situation as well.

[b0bb.livejournal.com]

Yes, the literate Russians usually do.
To dot ё is mandatory in school, and many keep this cute habit long after (like me). By the way, in fast handwriting the dots are often replaced by the overscore (I, for one, do that).

[apollotiger.livejournal.com]

Are there words where you use the ё because it'd be unclear without one? If so … what are they?

[b0bb.livejournal.com]

Definitely thousands.

[studentka-hb.livejournal.com]

not many maybe, but enough that I don't know them all yet! Btw is ёж the only russian word that begins with a ё? And if it is, any clues on the etymology?

[b0bb.livejournal.com]

небо
все
лет
осел

[b0bb.livejournal.com]

ёлка
ёлочка
ёлочный
ёжиться
ёмкий
ёмкость
ёрзать
ёрш

That's about it.

[gera.livejournal.com]

Agree.

[dimon37.livejournal.com]

no, there's also ёлка, ёрш, probably more.

[kart.livejournal.com]

There are a few other words, ёл, ём, and one more that I'm not going to say here ;)

[b0bb.livejournal.com]

You're absolutely right.
In 1950's, maybe in 60s as well, it was taught in school to cross "т" and "ш".
The new handwriting rules (in effect at least from 70s) eliminated this practice.

[studentka-hb.livejournal.com]

hmm, yes, I found that one too once I realied the ё was in the dictionary with e. Out of interest, is that a current word or some obsolete slang? Not that I'm planning on using it in any essays...

[b0bb.livejournal.com]

> There are a few other words, ёл, ём,

"ёл", "ём" are not among Russian words.

> and one more that I'm not going to say here ;)

f**k! why you're so shy?

[vimvim.livejournal.com]

To spell that words with Е instead of Ё is NOT a mistake. The most of native Russians do so. But this is not the same for Й and И. You have to write Й.
I agree that to underline Ш is old-fashioned. My mother has been taught to underline it, but when I went to my school there was no underlining of Ш any more.

[b0bb.livejournal.com]

> is that a current word or some obsolete slang? Not that I'm planning
> on using it in any essays...

ROTFLMAO! (NOM)

This word is more current than most of other Russian words!

If you want to speak Russian fluently and not be lost in casual interactions, you need to know very well ё-word, б-word, x-word and many other powerful Russian words - those that make the famouse English f-word to pale in comparison.