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[nadyezhda.livejournal.com]

How do you say, "in order to" in Russian? (The sentence is, "The president denies the people of basic necessities in order to develop nuclear weapons.")

Thanks!

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[nadyezhda.livejournal.com]

Maybe a "chtobyi" clause- something like "chtobyi yadernoe oruzhie razrabativalo"?

[dalyeth-ok.livejournal.com]

чтобы разрабатывать
or
ради того, чтобы

[nadyezhda.livejournal.com]

hmm, why doesn't chtobyi take past tense here? Am I confusing it with "chtobyi li"?

[dalyeth-ok.livejournal.com]

I don't quite understand what you mean by чтобы ли. Could you give an example?
In the posted sentence the past tense is impossible just like in the English variant where we have the infinitive.

[nadyezhda.livejournal.com]

I understand what you mean now. I understand that you're using the infinitive to express the "to develop" idea, whereas I think I was confusing it with a passive construction, "in order that something be done".

[idealforcolors.livejournal.com]

my textbook says that if the subject of the чтобы clause is the same as the subject of the main clause, you use the infinitive after чтобы, but if the subjects are different, you use the past tense. (e.g. if it were "so that his scientists would develop nuclear weapons" then the verb would be in the past tense.)

[superslayer18.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure how it would look in the sentence exactly, but "in order to" is usually чтобы

[bukina.livejournal.com]

i would suggest "v polzu razrabotki"

[nadyezhda.livejournal.com]

thanks!

[oryx_and_crake]

Does not sound Russian to me.
No one would say "лишает людей необходимого в пользу разработки ядерного оружия"

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

It is, first of all, because of such constructions do not allow the reader to find the logical stress inside the sentence, so he/she stays puzzled with this "необходимого в пользу разработки" thinking "what is so necessary to the benefit of the development?" :))

[oryx_and_crake]

My point was that you cannot say "лишить (кого-либо) в пользу (чего-либо)". You can only say "отказаться от (чего-либо) в пользу (чего-либо)".

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

That is correct, but one also cannot construct a sentence so that the reader is unable to restore the object/subject relationships in it :)

[spiderhood.livejournal.com]

> The president denies the people of basic necessities in order to develop nuclear weapons.
Президент лишает людей самых необходимых вещей ради разработки ядерного оружия.

(However, if for some strange reason you want to save the structure of the sentence bad enough, you can go for "... вещей, чтобы разрабатывать ядерное оружие". It would sound way more lame, though.)

[oblomov-jerusal.livejournal.com]

instead of самых необходимых вещей better simply самого необходимого.

[miram.livejournal.com]

чтобы
для того, чтобы
ради того, чтобы
...

+ infinitive: чтобы разрабатывать, &c.

[temcat.livejournal.com]

чтобы + verb in infinitive
ради + noun in genitive
(для того|ради того|с тем) чтобы + verb in infinitive
с целью + verb in infinitive or noun in genitive