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[maroussia.livejournal.com]

Hi ! Could someone explain me the meaning and the origin of the following words and expressions:

"Киса куку"

"Демшиза"

In Russian it would be better.
Thank you in advance!

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[darth-blade.livejournal.com]

"Киса куку" is Russian for "Hello Kitty" ;)

Lost in translation

[maroussia.livejournal.com]

Да, но смысл ? СМЫСЛ -то какой ??? И главное откуда это взялось?
But what's the meaning and the origin?

[mr-yogurt.livejournal.com]

Brilliant! X))

[maroussia.livejournal.com]

:-(

[mr-yogurt.livejournal.com]

about "киса куку" and some other other lj-expressions (http://www.webplanet.ru/news/talks/2005/5/16/finding_pervonah.html)

[fint.livejournal.com]

"падонковский" слэнг
если человек небольшого ума и ему нечего сказать, просто пишут одну из этих фраз. а если лень писать - то можно просто вставить печать - http://rulezman.multik.org/

[ashalynd.livejournal.com]

"Демшиза" could be related to infamously known political group "Демократический союз" (Democratic Union) and those who support them. The leader of the group, Valeria Novodvorskaya, is usually a target for all sorts of jokes because of the way she expresses her extremely negative attitude towards the official authorities, she is mostly concentrated on cursing them on and on. "Демшиза" = "демократическая шиза", шиза is from schizophrenia.

"Куку" is how cuckoo sings in Russian. You also say this if you suddenly appear in front of somebody to surprise him/her, or when somebody/something disappears. You can also use тютю in the last meaning : "А денежки-то мои куку / тютю!" means "My money said goodbye to me!"

[harmonoisit.livejournal.com]

"Киса куку":

"Киса" means "cat" in children's language and is used as "sweetheart" or "honey" between lovers or by parents to call their children. It is however, less erotic than "sweetheart", so I do not no exact equivalent. One of two main characters in the famous novel "12 chairs" by Ilf and Petrov is named "Киса" to stress his infantilism.
"Куку" - means "here I am" and is used when somebody appears suddently and want to underline it.
So, altogether it should be like "Here I am, honey!"

"Демшиза"
"Дем" - comes from "демократия" - democracy. In modern Russia "демократ"(the adherent of democracy, nothing to do with the Democrat in American sence) is often a derogative, a legacy of Eltsin's "democratic" rule.
"шиза" - originates from "шизофрения" (schizophrenia), but means something much more mild, it is an odd or essentric inclination. For example, "Он классный чувак, но у него есть шиза -слушает какого-то Моцарта" - "He is cool guy, but with a dogdy habit - he listens to some Mozart" :)).
So, "демшиза" is an odd inclination to have democratic and liberal values.

Both phrases are informal, but not too much

[cyka-no-iq.livejournal.com]

"киса куку" means smth kinda "you're so stupid"

[nale.livejournal.com]

Honestly, do you really need an answer? Having checked out your LJ one begins to wonder.
You're a Russian native-speaker, so what is the point?

[maroussia.livejournal.com]

Sorry, I'm unfortunately NOT a native-speaker, I'm a young french Russian langage teacher :-). So I understand most of what is said in Russian but this kind of subtility is still difficult for me. I asked not only about the meaning, but about the origin of these expressions.

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[nale.livejournal.com]

One merely wonders. If I am mistaken, then shame on me and hats off to you, for you are really good. The trouble is this community unfortunately attracts trolls rather frequently; you know, the kind that asks provocative questions and then enjoys the mess.

не верю

[harmonoisit.livejournal.com]

Да, уж... Тоже почитал Ваш журнал - и, извините, не верю. За всю ленту всего одна ошибка, да и то, видимо, опечатка: "шакали". "Сдается, мне, плюшевый, что ты вовсе не тучка ..."
Что до деталей этимологии, я их тоже не знаю. Хотя я - найтив, абсолютли найтив.

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[nemica.livejournal.com]

Why ask such the question in this community?

Re: не верю

[maroussia.livejournal.com]

Блин, но это ж моя работа, ничего другого в жизни делать не умею. А этимология и сленг тоже по большому счету - научый интерес. Но не буду скрывать - жила 3 года в Москве и собираюсь там жить еще.
Mr Yogurt дал отличную ссылку, всем рекомендую.

The point is that speaking and teaching Russian is my job and the Big Deal of my life, the only thing I know. And I've been leaving 3 years in Moscow. Etymology and slang are mostly of scientific interest too.
Mr Yogurt give a wonderful link, I recommand it to those who want to learn specific LJ Russian.

Thank you everybody! Nice job! Тема Кисы полностью раскрыта ;-)

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[maroussia.livejournal.com]

It's a question about specific LJ Russian langage.

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[nemica.livejournal.com]

It's a community about learning Russian as second language, not about learning stupid LJ slang.

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[mr-yogurt.livejournal.com]

You can love it or not, but it's still part of russian language...
Where to ask about this expressions if not here, anyway? Even some native speakers may not know their meaning...

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[nemica.livejournal.com]

Oh please! One can always ask his/her more sophisticated and well informed LJ friends. :rolleyes:

And there's such communities as pishu_pravilno, ru_slang and ru_translate.

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[kutsuwamushi.livejournal.com]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with her asking this question here. She's a non-native speaker, she has a question about Russian - and that's what this community is for.

You're free to explain that it's slang and you don't like it, but don't attack people for asking questions like this again. You may think it's just "stupid LJ slang", but others (who actually think it's worth knowing the language inside and out) will find posts like this interesting.

Re: не верю

[maroussia.livejournal.com]

Уж точно не английского :-)))
Отвечу, но в своем ЖЖ, или в Вашем. Здесь это оффтопик.
I think the discussion is getting offtopic.

[suku-vse.livejournal.com]

Vow! I wish all my language teachers were that professional!

[maroussia.livejournal.com]

Well you didn't hear my accent, you would be a bit disapointed :-)...

[oscar-6.livejournal.com]

Here's the origin of "Киса куку": http://www.livejournal.com/users/dr_dick/46034.html

I was about to warn you that you should be really proficent in Russian to understand it fully, but you already proved that you are =)

"Киса куку" is used to tell the opponent that he doesn't understand a thing, and that he is just stupid and unworthy as an adversary.

[maroussia.livejournal.com]

Wow! Great to reach the very source of the expression. It's used by journalists now even outside LJ. It is not surprising, as many famous Russian journalists are also LJ users.

By the way someone gave me also the source for "демшиза":

Демшиза
15 мая 1992 года
пресса
Константин Боровой, президент Российской товарно-сырьевой биржи
В мае 1992 года президент Российской товарно-сырьевой биржи Константин Боровой рассказал в интервью "Независимой газете" о новой Партии экономической свободы, которую он возглавил. На вопрос корреспондента "У вашей партии уже есть персональные предложения по составу кабинета?" Боровой ответил: "Да нет, что вы, мы же адекватные, мы реальность воспринимаем. Мы же не демшиза какая-нибудь, чтобы требовать на митингах такого-то назначить, а такого-то убрать..."

Словарь русского публичного языка конца XX века
Коммерсант-ВЛАСТЬ, 23 июня, 22 сентября 2003 года

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[maroussia.livejournal.com]

I did not mean to ask _provocative_ questions :-(...

[oscar-6.livejournal.com]

Oh, and by the way, your Russian will be even better if you'll stop putting spaces before exclamation and question marks :-)

[maroussia.livejournal.com]

Really?! :-)

[growler.livejournal.com]

"Киса куку" is quite close to american "All your base are belong to us". Close not literally, of course, but by meaning and the way it's being used on forums, blogs and other kinds of online conversations.

[kav2k.livejournal.com]

Seconded: nevertheless, you're just amazing at Russian for a foreigner. [At least you seem to be thinking in Russian ;)] Vraiment impressionant! And I guess you're talented to continue learning it till perfection.. Do your best! ;)
Do you happen to have some russian.. (?background/relatives?, not sure about that) корни?

[maroussia.livejournal.com]

Thank you! I'll try it hard!
Yes, I sometimes think in Russian. But on the other hand I will always be a Frenchie, I fell it in a specially acute way when I'm in Russia.
I have no Russian origins, Russian is my third foreign language (after English and Spanish), I began to learn it only when I was 15. But it soon became a exclusive passion. Now I regularly go to Moscow (and other places in Russia) and I have plenty of Russian friends (boy- included ;-) ).
So I must warn people here - learning Russian is VERY dangerous, you now when you begin, but you never now how far away it can take you :-)...

[ogeus.livejournal.com]

always it's finding a man with not great intellect who begin judge all people who has culture different from him. Always...

[oryx_and_crake]

So, altogether it should be like "Here I am, honey!"
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