[identity profile] loki-fledermaus.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] learn_russian
Just a quick one:

What's the best way of telling someone that your gay in Russian? I've been wondering this for a while... I'd like to avoid all words with negative connotations (naturally) but because I'm not a native speaker, I don't know which words to avoid!

Any help would be appreciated.

Date: 2005-05-25 11:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] superslayer18.livejournal.com
Definitely a good thing to know...

Date: 2005-05-25 11:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mricon.livejournal.com
In Russia, all words for "gay" have negative connotations, unless you're in the right (and extremely small) group of people. In that right group of people, the best word to use is "гей", i.e. the same one as in English.

Date: 2005-05-25 11:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cema.livejournal.com
Whichever way you use, it will be bad. Anti-gay feelings in Russia are very strong.

I think you might say something like "женщины меня не интересуют". This is reasonably double-sided and still perfectly understood in the proper sense.

Date: 2005-05-26 01:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfie-18.livejournal.com
(Grammar question)

What would be the difference between женщины меня не интересуют and я не интересуюсь женщинами? Like, is there a slight shade of meaning or what?

Date: 2005-05-26 02:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 24karrot.livejournal.com
Uh, I don't know much, but that definitely looks like "Women don't interest me" vs "I don't interest women" :P

Date: 2005-05-26 03:17 am (UTC)
oryx_and_crake: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
No, that's wrong. These phrases mean the same, i.e. "I am not interested in women" vs. "Women do not interest me", and "I don't interest women" would be "женщины мной не интересуются".

Date: 2005-05-26 03:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 24karrot.livejournal.com
Eep so confusing...well, I guessed, what can I say? hehe thanks.

Date: 2005-05-26 02:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apredeus.livejournal.com
kinda =)
я не интересуюсь женщинами just doesn't give this "special" meaning. Like if your'e not sexually active at all ;)
женщины меня не интересуют, especially with a small meaningful pause after "меня", will most probably be understood just the way you mean it 8)

Date: 2005-05-25 11:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] russian-bob.livejournal.com
You can't say that in Russian... Ha-ha, just kidding! :))

I think the official way to say that is "я гомосексуалИст" (I'm homosexual).
There was a slang word "голубой" (literally "blue"), but I'm not sure is it positive or not.

Most likely, in gay community they just say "я гЕй".
Word "gay" was adopted in Russian slang some time ago, less than 15 years, as a more positive way to say "гомосексуалИст".

If nobody will give you THE right answer, I will ask in [livejournal.com profile] rusgay how they say it - information from first hands.

Date: 2005-05-26 02:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apollotiger.livejournal.com
the word «гомосексуалист» has always struck me as oddly amusing. It sounds like a religion. “I'm Catholic -- what are you?” “I'm a homosexualist.”

Date: 2005-05-26 02:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfie-18.livejournal.com
Yeeeah, from the Russian gays I've spoken to, it doesn't really seem like a friendly place for the gays.

Was your question out of curiosity? Cuz if you're going to come out to a Russian (if you think he's gay as well), then I dunno, touching would be a good way to coming out! Ha, how naughty.

Date: 2005-05-26 02:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfie-18.livejournal.com
*sigh*, what is sad and slightly humorous is that the response to "I'd like to avoid all words with negative connotations" is "Then avoid all of them."

Date: 2005-05-26 02:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apredeus.livejournal.com
Well, what would you expect from the country, in which it was legally prosecuted only 14 years ago?
Gotta stuck with more open-minded folk, I guess ;)

Date: 2005-05-26 03:21 am (UTC)
oryx_and_crake: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
Well, as far as I know, homosexualism was legally prosecuted in some of the US states until very recently, too.

Date: 2005-05-26 04:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nymphatacita.livejournal.com
It was classified as a mental disorder/disease (like depression and OCD) until recently.

Date: 2005-05-26 05:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfie-18.livejournal.com
Correct. In line with what [profile] nymphatacita just said, it was taken off the APA (American Psychological Association) list of mental disorders about 10-20 years ago.

Date: 2005-05-26 05:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] apredeus.livejournal.com
well, but still, noone would've put you in prison (or in mental house) against your will.
Or would they?
I know that in some states oral sex is formally illegal. Doesn't mean a thing, though =)

Date: 2005-05-26 05:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfie-18.livejournal.com
>I know that in some states oral sex is formally illegal. Doesn't mean a thing, though =)

No it does not. Haha!

I'm pretty sure sodomy is illegal in most states. And I remember hearing a silly law about only the missionary position being the legal one. But pfft. California must not have it, at least not San Fran, for they still have bathhouses.

They wouldn't put gays in prison, but they'd be inclined to it. Same thing in courtrooms. A lot of discrimination.

Date: 2005-05-27 01:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] idealforcolors.livejournal.com
I think the Supreme Court recently overturned a Texas law against sodomy on constitutional grounds.

Date: 2005-06-02 02:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cincinnat.livejournal.com
Oh no, it was prosecuted in USSR!
USSR and Russia are different countries...or at least should be!

Date: 2005-05-26 02:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arrestthisman.livejournal.com
I was under the impression that the slang 'goloboi' was relatively neutral and used by gay men themselves -- anyone, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Anyhow, I dig your username! The images mesh well, somehow...

comin out, eh? :]

Date: 2005-05-26 06:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_teemon_/
u can also say: "Я - ахтунг" ("Ya achtung").

there is no negative connotations in "гей", "голубой" etc

Re: comin out, eh? :]

Date: 2005-05-26 10:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowaasr13.livejournal.com
Yeah, and only LJ and TBH/SKL/udaff users will ever understand what you said.

Date: 2005-05-27 01:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfie-18.livejournal.com
Well, isn't ахтунг derived from what the Nazis posted all around occupied territory? I.e. "Achtung Junden." Or something along that lines. And because homosexuals were also persecuted, that's why ахтунг is used.

Date: 2005-05-27 07:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowaasr13.livejournal.com
Come on, I never expected such a question from a russian. It's really fun theory, but it is absolutely wrong. First, "achtung" is absolutely normal german word, with same meaning as english "warning" - "внимание". Just find any piece of german electronics and check back cover, or check any photos of german airports - you'll see those "achtung"s everywhere. It doesn't mean, of course, that electronics consumers or passengers are prosecuted in any way. :) Origins of "achtung" in this sense is set phrase "Ахтунг! Пидорасы в треде!" (Warning! Pederasts spotted in the thread!), then shortened to simply "Ахтунг!". This phrase originated either from "падонки" or "кащениты", that's why I mentioned TBH, SKL and udaff. If you're unfamiliar with those people and interested in some history, try searching for "аффтар" and "newsweek" on russian search engines - there were article about them just recently and it was widely commented as being innacurate. So, check article in Newsweek first for some general knowledge and then comments itself for correct and accurate information.

Date: 2005-05-27 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolfie-18.livejournal.com
From a Russian? I'm Colombian. :p I'm aware that "Achtung" means "Danger/Warning," that's why "Achtung Junden" meant "Beware Jews" or something along that line. But yeah, I didn't know there was a set phrase. Oops.

Re: comin out, eh? :]

Date: 2005-05-27 06:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] solito.livejournal.com
I have never heard this usage!

Re: comin out, eh? :]

Date: 2005-05-27 07:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowaasr13.livejournal.com
'Net slang. You probably won't ever hear it in RL on even on 'net outside of SKL/TBH/udaff and related communities.

Re: comin out, eh? :]

Date: 2005-05-27 08:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimu.livejournal.com
Actually, you will. Lately I have seen this in one lecture hall at MSU. The underscored word is written in a net slang manner. That's not the brightest example of usage of net slang irl, but the only one which I have managed to take photo of.

Image

I have also seen "кг/ам" and some other net slang words written at dashboards along MSU.

Re: comin out, eh? :]

Date: 2005-05-27 08:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowaasr13.livejournal.com
But of course - many MSU students are active on 'net. I meant in RL from people not related to those communities. BTW, "зачот" here well could be simple error. Opposed to what "падонки" do - they write with deliberate errors, this could be unintended mistake.

Re: comin out, eh? :]

Date: 2005-05-27 08:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rimu.livejournal.com
I'm sure, this one was also made deliberately, because "пАставьте" and "пожалу(Й)ста" are also written incorrectly. And there are not too much imbeciles at MSU, which would misspell 3 simple words out of 4 without intention to do so.

Re: comin out, eh? :]

Date: 2005-05-27 08:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowaasr13.livejournal.com
Argh, I'm reading too many аффтарs, I just automatically skipped those errors. =:0

Re: comin out, eh? :]

Date: 2005-05-27 01:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] idealforcolors.livejournal.com
haha, i thought it was spelled "зачот" for a very long time. until a professor actually wrote it down one day.

Re: comin out, eh? :]

Date: 2005-05-28 10:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onodera.livejournal.com
There's a whole thread of 'padonki slang' comments here in MESI on the small sign asking the students to put their fags into dustbins.

Date: 2005-05-26 09:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] serni.livejournal.com
"пидорас"
truly and honestly.

Date: 2005-05-26 11:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] russian-bob.livejournal.com
"пидорас" is as "positive" as "faggot".
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Date: 2005-05-26 03:15 pm (UTC)
oryx_and_crake: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
I have to remind that the working language of this community is English. It is OK to make comments in Russian but you should provide an English translation at the same time.
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