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[gatoradegirl.livejournal.com]

I feel like I'm in first grade writing/translating things like this. Can someone please tell me if I have my verb aspects correct, and if I've mangled my declensions?

Даша приходила из Вашингтон на метро. Она уходила на автобус из Колледж Парк кажды ден на пять часов. Даша никогда не опаздает на автобус. В вечером Даша часто делает домашнее задание с американской подругой Джэн. Когда Джэн занята, Даша занимаеться без ее. Если она есть время, она обычно читает интересный книгу, смотрит что-нибудь на телевидение, или идет в ее друзья.

The last bit of that sentance is supposed to be, "or she goes to visit her friends" I'm not sure what the best translation of that would be, if there's a better way let me know.

Thanks!!!

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[yers.livejournal.com]

Даша приезжала из Вашингтона на метро. Она выезжала на автобусе из Колледж-Парка каждый день в пять часов. Даша никогда не опаздывает на автобус. Вечером Даша часто делает уроки с американской подругой Джэн. Когда Джэн занята, Даша занимается без нее. Если у нее есть время, она обычно читает интересную книгу, смотрит что-нибудь по телевидению, или ходит к друзьям.


(Did you intend the first two sentences to be in past tense?)

[wolfie-18.livejournal.com]

-без неё.

Can't it just be её? I thought one would add the н in the genitive case only if the preceeding word/preposition was a vowel. I.e. у неё.

What's used more often, телевидение или телевизор?

If he's visiting his friends (so that a beginner knows the expression), shouldn't he say "ходит к друзьям в гости?"

[yers.livejournal.com]

Телевизор is used more often. I followed a translator's instinct of not changing anything unless it's plainly incorrect... which might be the wrong approach in this case. You're right about в гости, too.

But н- is always added after a preposition.

[nemica.livejournal.com]

to visit - навещать. "Она навещает друзей". Or - "ходит в гости к друзьям".

Check verbs приезжать - приходить, уезжать - уходить.

Уезжать and приезжать are from ухать - to go by train, car, tube etc., not by walk.

Приходить и уходить are from идти - to walk (to or from some place)

And we say 'смотреть телевизор' (or ТВ), just like in English 'to watch TV'.

[wolfie-18.livejournal.com]

I thought visit was something along the lines of "посетить," or is that in the sense of visiting places?

[iceman-haifa.livejournal.com]

That can't be ее. If there is a preceeding prepositions, you should add н.
Like у нее, для нее, без нее, из нее.


Tелевидение and телевизор are different things.
Телевизор - the apparatus, you are watching.
Телевидение - the part of science, technique and culture, which is concerned with sending video signals.
Something like that :-)

For example:
Работать на телевидение = To work on TV.
Смотреть телевизор = To watch TV.
Смотреть телевидение - doesn't sound like russian =)

-If he's visiting his friends (so that a beginner knows the expression), shouldn't he say "ходит к друзьям в гости?"

Not necesseraly.

[zloizloi.livejournal.com]

без неё is correct. I can not think of any example when you would not add н to её in the genitive case.

[gera.livejournal.com]

- don't use ь here.
Don't feel to bad about this one, though, many Russians make this mistake.

The rule of thumb is, if it's "to do" - there is a ь. If it's "does" or "is doing" - there isn't.

[yers.livejournal.com]

Here's a good example of the difference between посетить and навестить: "to visit a doctor" is «посетить врача», and "to visit a sick person" is «навестить больного».

Essentially, навестить has a connotation of interpersonal warmth, of any level, while посетить lacks it entirely.

[nemica.livejournal.com]

Well visiting your friend isn't the same as visiting your dentist so it could be "посетить" or "навестить", it depends of context. 'To visit grandma' definitely means "навестить", not "посетить". But you can посетить an exhibition, museum.

[yers.livejournal.com]

Смотреть телевидение - doesn't sound like russian =)

«Смотреть [что-л.] по телевидению» does, though.

[giantantattack.livejournal.com]

But н- is always added after a preposition.

What about "вне", or "благодаря"? I thought that after those prepositions you don't add the н- prefix.

[marzchik263.livejournal.com]

heh, what textbook do you guys use?

[gatoradegirl.livejournal.com]

Wow, reading these responses is way more helpful than just getting the paper back with a few corrections.

It's not supposed to be past tense, you're right, I'm not sure why I still get that mixed up. The verbs of motion thing is really tough for me still, I know I'll get it eventually...

Is it ok to use итй for a trip within the city though? Like taking a bus somewhere that you COULD walk?

[gera.livejournal.com]

Посетить can be both about places and people, but it's quite formal, you generally won't use it in informal speech.

In other words, you won't say:
Я посетила Джэн.
but rather:
Я была у Джэн
or
Я ходила к Джэн.

[gera.livejournal.com]

In Russian идти is strictly for walking. If you take a bus it's ездить, поехать.

[gatoradegirl.livejournal.com]

I'm guessing you recognize the "live from moscow" character names. The book's alright, but the videos that go with it are really cringe inducing.

[iceman-haifa.livejournal.com]

Yes, it does!
I tried to show difference between телевизор и телевидение.
Though it means "watch TV" too, in Russian you are not talking about what you see in your телевизор, you say that you are watching something that телевидение lets you.

Oh.. My poor brains. It's hard to explain something you never thought about. =)
Need training!

[marzchik263.livejournal.com]

yes, yes they are.


although, dennis isn't too bad-looking with a haircut.

[zloizloi.livejournal.com]

"вне" and "благодаря" can not be used in this context, where её is a genetive case of она, "she". They can be used with a posessive form of the word: её, "her", which is never prefixed.

[egh0st.livejournal.com]

Imho it's just better to explain in this way:

Телевизор = TV (television) set
Телевидение = TV (Television)

Смотреть телевидение <-- imo it's an old fashion way to say this. Though I'm not that old to remember those times myself :P

A russian joke showing the difference in english and russian concepts (to watch TV and to watch TVset):

-- Seargant, may I watch TVset?
-- Yeah, just don't turn it on.

[egh0st.livejournal.com]

As well "по телевизору" though.

[ars-longa.livejournal.com]

Well, ships ходят too, and marines are getting offended if someone says they are "floating" or something such. Usually you're getting a succinct answer that it's a crap in an ice-hole that's floating, "а корабли ходят!" :)

[nadyezhda.livejournal.com]

UGH I STILL HATE DENNIS. I need to get over it; it's been 5 years now...

eep, 6...

[cema.livejournal.com]

Приходила/уходила is an Enslishism. The verb "go" is more generic in English than in Russian.

"Из Колледж Парка", think of the noun cases. ("Колледж Парк" is like "Колледж-Парк" here, so not "Колледжа Парка".)

Каждый, день.

Никогда не опаздывает.

Занимается.

Без неё.

У неё (есть время).

Интересную книгу.

Смотрит по телевизору.

Идет в гости or к друзьям (or both).

[giantantattack.livejournal.com]

I understand that you don't add the н- prefix to third person possessive pronouns, but what I want to clarify is, if you wanted to say, for instance, "Sahsa lives in the city, but Misha lives outside of it," which of the following would be the correct translation?

Саша живёт в городе, а Миша живёт вне его.
-or-
Саша живёт в городе, а Миша живёт вне него.

From what I've read, the first one would be correct. Which would mean that not all prepositions followed by a third person pronoun add the н- prefix.

[zloizloi.livejournal.com]

oh, you are right about that.

[nalymov.livejournal.com]

The word телевизор is often replaced in common speech with slangy ящик (box) or even говноящик (shitbox). Смотреть по ящику, видел в говноящике.

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

Concerning телевидение and телевизор:
Телевидение is a business, like "she's working on TV" - она работает на телевидении.
Телевизор is your home TV set: "she's watching TV" - она смотрит телевизор, "she bought her a TV" - она купила телевизор.
You can say "смотреть телевидение", but this sounds very formal and is now (unlike in 1960s) rarely used.
You cannot say "работать на/в телевизоре". Some TV people sometimes say "я работаю в телевизоре", but this is very ironic and used only for a laugh.

[noser.livejournal.com]

Нет [кого/чего?] её?

[irkin.livejournal.com]

Работать на телевидение should be работать на телевидении

[wortschatz.livejournal.com]

Funny! I was just doing the same exercise last night. Live from Moscow, Part II, Unit 12. Hah.

[iceman-haifa.livejournal.com]

Как на организацию?

[iceman-haifa.livejournal.com]

Ни разу не слышал :)
I've never heard ))

[irkin.livejournal.com]

Meaning "На кого ты работаешь?" 8) Then you can be right.
But I think this context is rarely used. If the question is "Где ты работаешь?" the answer is "на телевидении".

[onodera.livejournal.com]

Exactly.
One uses работать на + accusative usually when talking about working for people, shifty institutions, or when the speaker has a negative attitude to this work.

Тысячи египтян работали на фараона.
На каждого крупного наркодилера работают до десятка торговцев поменьше.

По официальной версии, террористы работали на «Аль-Каиду».
Я работаю на ФСКН. (Russian DEA)

Я работаю на табачную фабрику.
Я работаю на «Стрим» (Russian ADSL ISP)

So, an undercover journalist can say «Я работаю на телевидение» when breaking cover and running off with a compromising tape.