Russian as a foreign language

[aveleen.livejournal.com]

Для ученика непроходимой трудностью оказалось чередование согласных, как-то: крик-кричать, слуга-служить, хотеть-хочу... Как объяснить всю эту систему по возможности разом и доступно?

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An impossible obstacle for my student appeared to be the alteration of consonants, e.g.: крик-кричать, слуга-служить, хотеть-хочу... How do I go about explaining all this system possibly at once and comprehensibly?

Comments

[shellesie.livejournal.com]

ой, а это вообще можно объяснить...? А английский ученик знает? В английском тоже чередование найти можно... Tooth - teeth хотя бы... и никак это не объяснить, только запомнить.

[aveleen.livejournal.com]

Tooth-teeth - есть определенное правило, которое очень легко объяснить, даже запоминать не надо. Даже английские неправильные глаголы можно сгруппировать по определенным правилам изменения корня - что нужно мне и здесь: вдруг кто знает, сколько всего таких групп и как они выглядят? Я бы составила схему сама, но просто впервые преподаю русский и не ожидала такого препятствия.

[kostya-moskowit.livejournal.com]

во первых - непреодолимой.
во вторых - это не просто изменние, а чередование согласных в корне слова. нужно объяснять именно это, наверное.

[aveleen.livejournal.com]

Это была небольшая игра слов с использованием термина "проходить" (проходить тему, материал) :)

Я так и написала - чередование. Сама русский филолог. Просто не берусь пока найти все типы чередования, может, у кого-то есть совет, где искать и как группировать?

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

Hey. The working language of this community is English. You are expected to provide an English translation to everything you write in Russian here.

[kostya-moskowit.livejournal.com]

delete me - off :)

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

We aren't huge fans of deleting the entries, so I'm not going to delete those, but I also expect this valuable tread to be finally switched into English.

[aveleen.livejournal.com]

I reply to comments in the language they have been written, nothing else :)

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

Once again. There's community rules (http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=learn_russian). Everybody is more than encouraged to read it before starting to contribute to this community. We either stick to the rules, or we slip into anarchy like many other communities do. We aren't huge fans of deleting the entries, so I'm not going to delete those, but I also expect this valuable tread to be finally switched into English :)

[aveleen.livejournal.com]

Does this mean translating all the previous comments anew, or merely continuing in English?

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

The latter is OK, but giving a brief digest doesn't hurt either :)

[aveleen.livejournal.com]

My post itself is a brief digest... for some reason I had to go into details and explain it to people over and over :)

[kostya-moskowit.livejournal.com]

тогда я лично - не советчик.

[sventhelost.livejournal.com]

I found that I got more out of it when I learned about the rules for the mutation. There are reasons, generally the vowel that follows it. I've found that Russian has a lot less exceptions to its rules than English, so it might be worth teaching the rules of mutation based on the following vowels.

Though I'm by far not an expert! I'd love to know what the Russian discussion says. I can understand some of it, but not all.

[aveleen.livejournal.com]

This is exactly what I want to know! The rules of mutation (I called it alteration, didn't I? he-he, I'm not a terminology expert...), if they are to be found anywhere in a comprehensible form...

The Russian discussion says the same things as my post and your comment combined. :)

[madrumos.livejournal.com]

к г х - ч ж ш respectively

т д - ч ж

с з - ш ж

н л р - нь ль рь

п б в м - пль бль вль мль

ст зд - щ зж

ск зг - щ зж

this is from "Guide to Slavonic Languages". I'd explain more, but I don't have time right now. There are examples in the book of each, but I have to go.

[aveleen.livejournal.com]

Thank you so much! This is precisely what I needed!!

[lifelessnbroken.livejournal.com]

since it seems like people have given you plenty of answers, i'm just gonna refer you to a page i use to learn russian grammar. it's actually from a professor in a college who teaches russian, and consonant mutation is one of the sections. maybe this will help you also if you seem to be stuck on how to explain something.

http://www.auburn.edu/~mitrege/RWT/welcome.html

when you arrive at the page, i'd suggest clicking the link titled 'grammar tutorials'. the sections go from 00000 to over 00060, i believe, but they're all mixed up. there's a brief title before each number link explaining what lesson you'd be encountering as well. hope that helps. =)