Q's..

[rimokon.livejournal.com]

Okay, I always notice something weird when listening to Russian music...

1.) They pronounce <ы> like <и>. For example, ты sounds a lot like ти, but with the <т> not palatalized. I thought these sounds were distinct but I can't tell the difference when they're singing...

2.) I thought that when there was <ч> before a consonant, it's supposed to sound like <ш>...but I was listening to Zемфира's song "Анечка" and t.A.T.u.'s song "Белочка", and instead of the <ч> sounding like <ш>, it sounded more like English "ch". Does that make sense? Lol, either way, it sure didn't sound like <ш>..

3.) <ой> sounds more like <ай>...I'm not sure--is this correct? Or am I wrong? Lol.

Can someone try clearing this up for me? Thanks...it made me so confused lol..^^;;

Comments

[munjeca.livejournal.com]

1)if T is palatalized, we pronounce ТИ, if not - ТЫ.
Ы and И are really different sounds, 'cos they are formed in different places :)
2)no, Ч before a consonant still stays Ч, not Ш. it really sounds like english CH.
3)for example, there are two different interjections (exclamations) in Russian - ОЙ and АЙ.
they are really different :))

[aveleen.livejournal.com]

Except, of course, for the cases like "конечно" and "что". Generally, things like /шн/ in "сердечный" etc. are archaic nowadays in most of the regions of Russia.

[cema.livejournal.com]

I always say "булошная", but I taught myself to do that after having heard it was the old Muscovite dialect. Stylish, I thought.

[zjuzjuchka.livejournal.com]

You are rigt,it's Moscovite dialect.

[aveleen.livejournal.com]

How about "дьверь, зьверь, церьковь"? :) "Брыжж'ет" (soft ж), conjugation of II group verbs like "курют, стоют, водют" instead of "курят, стоят, водят"? Hard "c" in "Кувыркалса, причесалса, одевалса, смеялса"...

The -ива- suffix sounds like "ъвъ", as if you'd written "вздгагывать, оплакывать, размахывать" - with bases that end in г, к, х.

Also, my favorite of the old Moscow tradition:
Nominative masculine singular adjectives sound like Genitive feminine singular: "маленьк/а/й, хорошеньк/а/й, умненьк/а/й".

[zjuzjuchka.livejournal.com]

"дьверь, зьверь, церьковь" is wrong,leters befor "Ь" pronounce hard not soft and you should write these words without "ь"."Курют, стоют, водют" is wrong, "куришь","стоишь","водишь".But: "я курю,ты куришь,она курит,мы курим,они курят".
"с" have to be pronounced soft in these words.
Not "ъвь"бшеэы like "[eeva]", correct: "взрагивать","оплакивать",размахивать".Don't pronounce with "ы".
He is "маленькИй",she is "маленькАЯ"

[aveleen.livejournal.com]

Девушка, да что ж вы так настаиваете на "wrong"?? Разве вы не знаете о традициях московской и петербургской школ?

Я изучала сравнительную фонологию русского языка и двух этих школ в университете, поверьте, ничего неправильного я здесь не написала :)) Все, что я перечислила, относится к старой московской традиции. Так действительно говорили и даже до сих пор говорят многие люди в Москве, посмотрите хотя бы старые фильмы - вы везде услышите "дьверь" и "маленькай мальчик". Притом заметьте: я написала не для демонстрации написания, а для демонстрации произношения. А пишутся слова, разумеется, одинаково в обеих школах.

Here, there is no such thing as "wrong" or "right" - there may, however, be such thing as "old" and "new", "widely used" and "not widely used".

[zjuzjuchka.livejournal.com]

:)))))))))))))))))))))))))

[cema.livejournal.com]

I say "дьверь", ыес. I mean, yes. But not the other two. "Брыжжет" too. Not the verbs. Hard, yes.

Not the suffix.

Something like this, but not always.

[zjuzjuchka.livejournal.com]

"чн" is better to pronounce in word "сердечный".

[aveleen.livejournal.com]

Is it actually better of is it just more common? ;)

[zjuzjuchka.livejournal.com]

it's actually better,of course.You should say "чн", it's correctly.

[aveleen.livejournal.com]

It is more correct according to the tradition in which you and I have been taught ;) But who are we to impose judgements as to what is good and what is bad?

[kutsuwamushi.livejournal.com]

It can be difficult for English speakers to hear the difference between ы and и in the first place - but they're definitely different sounds. It's just that, because English doesn't have an ы sound, we often hear it as "ee".

3.) <ой> sounds more like <ай>...I'm not sure--is this correct? Or am I wrong? Lol.

Basically, both о and а are pronounced like "uh" when they're not stressed, so ой often will sound less like "oy" and more like "ai". But it's not "oy" or "ai" - it's a schwa followed by the й sound.

But if ой is stressed, it will sound like "oy". =)

[zjuzjuchka.livejournal.com]

They are diffirent sounds. For example: "мышь" (mouse) and "Миш" (it's name,first form is "Миша").You should listen more russian pronouncention.I'm russian girl)))

[aveleen.livejournal.com]

If you palatalize /т/, then "ти" and "ты" sound the same. This person is confused justly ;) Try to say "ти" with palatalized /т/, and you'll understand what he means. (Особенно если подумать о манере Земфиры выговаривать некоторые слова...)