declension table
Jun. 8th, 2003 12:10 pmIn NAGDIP order because that's how I think of it.
It should be safe for reference now, but when in doubt, check something more official.
It should be safe for reference now, but when in doubt, check something more official.
| Nom |
новый дом |
новая книга |
новое окно |
новые книги |
|
| Acc |
новый дом |
новую книгу |
новое окнo |
новыe книги |
|
| Gen |
нового дома |
новой книги |
нового oкна |
новых домов |
новых книг/новых окон |
| Dat |
новому дому |
новой книге |
новому окну |
новым книгам |
|
| Instr |
новым домом |
новой книгой |
новым окном |
новыми книгами |
|
| Prep |
новом доме |
новой книге |
новом окне |
новых книгах |
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Date: 2003-06-08 09:54 am (UTC)accusative of новое окно is новое окно, no change even in the stress.
новые книги.
feminine genitive, новых книг (zero ending)
feminine accusative, новые книги (zero ending)
and you can add neuter genitive, новых окон
it's a convention to add a sample preposition in brackets, usually (о), before prepositional because it never occurs on its own.
finally, if you are making a gender-based declension table (rather than pattern-based) you will need to take two sample words for masc & neuter (one hard and one soft), and three for feminine (hard/soft/ending in -ь), plus provide an extra example with masc. accusative sg&pl and fem. accusative pl. to illustrate the different endings for animate nouns.
I didn't mean it to sound like I was nit-picking, you've done a great job and if you just specify that this is a declension table for Hard Inanimate nouns, and maybe change книга to something more regular, like волна (because with г,к,х as the final base consonant there's the extra issue of ы becoming и), your table will be perfect.
no subject
Date: 2003-06-08 10:07 am (UTC)NGDAIP looks like the name of a political party even nastier than NSDAP :))
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Date: 2003-06-08 10:16 am (UTC)You're not nitpicking; it's important to get every letter right when declining, or else it (might) turns what you mean into something wrong/nonsensical.
As for the order (NGDAIP vs NAGDIP), I went with NAGDIP because this table is ultimately a tool for my own use, and that's how I think of the order (there are several useful mneumonic devices in NAGDIP order that I use). As for including hard and soft words, the ending changes are mostly spelling changes that are regular and predictable, so to use this table, I assume you know how softening affects spelling (and how animate masc. acc. uses gen. forms). I've seen tables that take everything into account (hard/soft/irregular/animate) and they're huge, which defeats the purpose of having one small table to refer to.
Thanks for going over it
no subject
Date: 2003-06-08 11:47 am (UTC)you're quite right there... the only challenges are -ем instead of -ом in the instr.sg., but even that can be inferred phonetically, since you can't have an unaccented ё, and an occasional -ей in the genitive plural.
at Russian schools, masculine and neuter declension is taught as a single pattern, but the two feminines (книга vs. степь) are separated.
no subject
Date: 2003-06-08 11:18 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-06-08 11:54 am (UTC)actually, maybe you could do altogether without accent marks, because emphasis shift in declension is something very difficult to predict, there are of course patterns there but so many of them it's sometimes confusing even to native speakers.
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Date: 2003-06-08 08:44 pm (UTC)- fixed (again)
I wanted to mark the acc/gen difference because it is a major pattern with neuter nouns, and one that I (as I have shown here!) can never remember which gets which emphasis. But I took your advice and closed that can of worms.
no subject
Date: 2003-06-09 06:53 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-06-09 08:58 am (UTC)Fixed, thanks.