зодчество / меновое хозяйство

[savageanomaly.livejournal.com]

Hi,

it's me again. I have a couple of questions about definitions:

зодчество -- is this a synonym for архитектура or does it mean some specific kind of architecture? Most examples I found were about folk architecture.

меновое хозяйство -- would this be "exchange economy"?

Thanks again.

Comments

[oryx_and_crake]

зодчество is a slightly obsolete term for архитектура and is indeed usually seen in combinations like народное зодчество.
http://ru.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%BE

[savageanomaly.livejournal.com]

Thank you.

Барма и Постник

[lion-casserole.livejournal.com]

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The word "архитектура" came from Greek as an addition to the original Russian word "зодчество". To me "архитектор" means "a professional construction engineer/designer", while "зодчий" is an old-style word for an artist of masonry, who was able composing and implementing stone (and wooden) pieces of construction art. "Зодчество" is an archaic term; Russians are using this word mainly to highlight the age of historical building complexes, temples, ancient churches, etc.

Меновая торговля means "barter" - a method of settlement by which goods/services are directly exchanged for other goods/services without engaging money. In the USSR-style economics that was a way to minimize or eliminate taxes, etc.

Ups... there is an explanation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barter
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80

Re: Барма и Постник

[savageanomaly.livejournal.com]

Yes I know what "barter" means. That doesn't fit in the context I have.

Thanks.

Politicial economics? Переход от натурального к меновому?

[lion-casserole.livejournal.com]

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Copy/Pasted:
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Капиталистическое хозяйство — хозяйство меновое. Это значит, что люди обменивают между собой продукты, которые они производят, что между отдельными людьми и группами людей происходит разделение труда, такое распределение работы, при котором одни производят одни товары, другие — другие, и затем эти товары обменивают между собой.
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Re: Politicial economics? Переход от натурального к меновому?

[savageanomaly.livejournal.com]

Okay. That's where my confusion is. Barter economy is *not* capitalist economy. So, then, меновое хозяйство is and isn't a capitalist economy? Confusing.

Re: Politicial economics? Переход от натурального к меновому?

[lion-casserole.livejournal.com]

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Well, there is a need in some context. The citation I proposed was from 1920s. That time they (socialists) were trying to invent new terminology to describe the early capitalist-style economic models.

I guess that overcomplicated the terminology (BTW, they washed out the history of ancient China and India's banking systems, etc) and started describing the new-age history of economics from the scratch using the feudal Europe countries/counties as a start point.

I guess with "меновое хозяйство" they are trying to introduce the "new" concept of "капиталистическое разделение труда".

Who is using this "меновое хозяйство" wording in your case?

Re: Politicial economics? Переход от натурального к меновому?

[savageanomaly.livejournal.com]

This is not the place to debate economics or history of Russian Marxism... but "they" didn't invent Marxist terminology.

cheers

Re: Politicial economics? Переход от натурального к меновому?

[lion-casserole.livejournal.com]

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There was a students' joke re that:
- Why is it difficult to read and interpret Lenin's works?
- Because Marx ones are already interpreted.

Cheers, :)

[iwantsleeep.livejournal.com]

Good morning)
"Зодчество" - it's some kind of russian architecture
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"Меновое хозяйство" - if i right understood, it is natural exchange, for example - wool on food etc.
Sorry for my english.

[savageanomaly.livejournal.com]

"Меновое хозяйство" - if i right understood, it is natural exchange, for example - wool on food etc.

It cannot involve exchange for money?

thanks

[martina-cosmo.livejournal.com]

Well, it shouldn't really.. It is the housekeeping based on the exchange of the natural goods people were producing. You could go to the market and "buy" what you needed with what you have, exchange one for another. If you exchange smtng for money - it is still called a purchase :) Wikipedia should have an article, I think.

[iwantsleeep.livejournal.com]

No, because money - it is universal exchange thing)

[huzhepidarasa.livejournal.com]

Меновое хозяйство is most emphatically NOT barter trade or money-less exchange or anything like that. It's a normal capitalistic market-oriented exchange of goods, as opposed to both centralized Marxist planned economy and "natural economy" of feudalism.

[savageanomaly.livejournal.com]

Thank you. Would you know any reference I could read about this?

[marsianka-selma.livejournal.com]

After some browsing, it seems to me that меновое хозяйство is just a modern, complex form of economy. It's not self-sufficient and manufacturers depend on each other greatly (opposed to натуральное хозяйство, where a family could survive on what they produced themselves).
The term is used in the works on economical history to emphasise this difference, a transition from one form to another.

[savageanomaly.livejournal.com]

Thank you. Your explanation is very helpful as always.