park

[nitaq.livejournal.com]

When I look up the word "park" in a dictionary on the internet, it tells me that парка is the accusative.
I would have thought it to be парк. For it's a non-living male thing.
So what is correct:
я вижу парк.
or
я вижу парка.
?

Comments

[4px.livejournal.com]

я вижу парк.
я не вижу парка.
:)

[nitaq.livejournal.com]

Yes, the genitive is as expected.
Thanks.

[crocotiger.livejournal.com]

imho, я не вижу парка isn't genitive. It's 'partitive' and implies dealing with a part of an object instead of a whole object. Compare 'выпить коньяку' - to drink some part of brandy, 'выпить коньяк' - to drink all brandy in the house (more serious case). So we can say 'не вижу парка' - 'I see no part of the park'. But we can't say 'вижу парка', because if I see any part of the park it means I see the whole park.

[koshapa.livejournal.com]

я гуляю по парку

[4px.livejournal.com]

я сижу в парке, and so on ))

[viata.livejournal.com]

You would have thought correct. Парка is genitive, not accusative.

[salexey.livejournal.com]

BTW, "Парка" is also a river (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Парка), one of the three Parcae (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parcae) and a kind of winter fur clothing.

[zwilling.livejournal.com]

In nominative, but not in accusative.

[zwilling.livejournal.com]

Congratulations, you know Russian better than your dictionary! :))

[roy-revant.livejournal.com]

This is an accusative case. In Russian, it is different for animate and inanimate nouns.
«Парк» is inanimate. In accusative case, it's form should correspond to question «Что?» (What?).
Я вижу (что?) парк.
Я не вижу (что?) парк.
For inanimate nouns in Russian, accusative case is the same as nominative. :)

For animate nouns, an accusative case should correspond to question «Кого?» (Sorry, but I don't know an English counterpart :)
For example:
Я вижу (кого?) кота. (I see a cat)
Я не вижу (кого?) кота. (I don't see a cat)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusative_case#Russian

[roy-revant.livejournal.com]

Sorry, forgot about grammatical gender.
For male and medium accusative case is the same as nomimative, but for female isn't.

Я вижу (кого?) кошку. (female cat)
Я не вижу (кого?) кошку.

[roy-revant.livejournal.com]

Я вижу (что?) дорогу. (I see the road). «Дорога» (a road) is a female inanimate noun.

[towarysc.livejournal.com]

Stoooop, please stop!
And reread the question. It's simple. It does NOT require all this to be answered.

[emperor-spock.livejournal.com]

This rule is almost universal: be careful though with certain nouns that point at both animate and inanimate things (treat names like 'Юпитер, Нептун' as inanimate if they denote non-living things (i.e. planets here), and as animate if they are used for the living (i.e. names of the Roman gods). Another good example of this sort would be the nicknames and pet names that are common nouns normally ('купил шарик', 'покормил Шарика')). Also, 'мертвец' is animate. Boo.

[towarysc.livejournal.com]

What dictionary was that?
It's definitely wrong.

[nitaq.livejournal.com]

It was Мулътитран.
I'm not sure if the link works:
http://www.multitran.ru/c/m.exe?a=118&t=8093_2_3 (http://www.multitran.ru/c/m.exe?a=118&t=8093_2_3)

[towarysc.livejournal.com]

Hm, there are three parks, two incorrect and one correct.
Is it user-generated?

If not, the third Park may be a surname, and the first... I dunno, it's written "results of morphological analysis" there, and maybe it analyzes without knowing what "парк" means and thus gives both animate and inanimate patterns.

[nitaq.livejournal.com]

I guess that it is automatically generated.
You can get declensions for every word, so it must be.
At least now I know I must switch on brain, even if it's that much easier not to. :)

[nitaq.livejournal.com]

Thanks everybody for your help.
I really appreciate it.