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[llz.livejournal.com]

can someone please explain to me the difference between обработка and переработка? the English definition given with both is "treatment, processing", but i sense of course that the two prefixes give slightly different connotations. my guess is that пере- is changing a material into something else entirely; Yandex gives the example переработка отходов — (waste) recycling. (and conversationally, переработка can also mean overtime [overwork]) and об- refers to mechanical/light chemical processing that doesn't change the inherent nature of the material, just its organization (обработка данных/почты/заказа — data/mail/order processing). заранее спасибо.

p.s., this is why i <3 Russian.

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[archaicos.livejournal.com]

I think you're right in your observations.

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

Обработка is something that you apply to some process or product, so that its qualities change to a certain extent: like, if you boil your food, fry it, or roast, all those processes can be called тепловая обработка (heat processing) in Russian. Or, if you have a clean guitar sound and then apply reverb, chorus, overdrive and delay effects, this all can be simply called обработка (an is, in fact, called so by Russian musicians and sound technicians.)

Переработка is something that changes the qualities of the process or product completely. Literally it's "rework." Processed meat, like meatballs, has undergone переработка. A completely rewritten new edition of something, heavily edited, and added to, would be переработанное издание in Russian. Etc.

There is also a second, more obscure meaning for переработка - "overwork." "He has completed his regular shift, plus two hours overwork" = Он закончил обычную смену плюс два часа переработки.

[khathi.livejournal.com]

You're just about right -- "обработка" doesn't change the inherent nature of the things, while "переработка" does.

[odreamer.livejournal.com]

You're just completely right, and there's nothing more to add :)

[moai-s.livejournal.com]

Good explanation!
But I have the following question: how would you translate "the socker player is обрабатывает мяч"? Sports anchorpersons say "обрабатывать мяч" when the player has got the soccer ball and is running with it.
Thank you

[llz.livejournal.com]

are you looking for the phrase, dribbling the ball? in English, it's also for basketball players who move with the ball
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=soccer+dribbling

[moai-s.livejournal.com]

That's it! Thanks a lot for youtube reference.

[llz.livejournal.com]

my pleasure, you also helped me, now i know how to say it in Russian :)

[chisham.livejournal.com]

You are absolutely right in the reasonings.
Very much I admire people who could learn russian language.
My English is too poor.