[identity profile] upthera44.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] learn_russian
Is "вы" always capitalized in writing when you are addressing only a single person?  Or is this optional and you can leave it uncapitalized? Also, what about other forms of the word, such as

вас / вами /вам...

I assume they are also capitalized just as "вы" is?

What about the "вы"-based adjectives : ваш / ваши / ваша / ваше?

Thanks!

Date: 2009-07-09 05:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zlaya-koroleva.livejournal.com
yes, it is capitalized when you addressing to a single person. Same for Ваши-Ваше e.t.c

Date: 2009-07-09 06:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gera.livejournal.com
It is not always capitalized.
It is customary to capitalize it in formal letters, a practice that spilled over into the Internet, were in many cases it seems out of place (although this is a matter of endless debates).
So, some do it, some don't.

Date: 2009-07-09 06:15 pm (UTC)
oryx_and_crake: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
+1

If you write a real letter on paper and address a single person as вы, it should be capitalized.

In the other cases you may probably do without capitalization.

For example, when addressing an unknown person in LJ, you would not like to say ты, and capitalized Вы sounds overly formal.

Date: 2009-07-09 06:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zveriozha.livejournal.com
If you capitalize it it'll look VERY formal.

Date: 2009-07-09 07:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taurvat.livejournal.com
Wrong. There is no such mandatory rule, it's just a matter of style.

Date: 2009-07-09 07:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nemica.livejournal.com
Wrong, it is capitalized in business and personal correspondense (and it is still matter of style and not a rule), but never in books, articles, subtitles and all other texts.

Date: 2009-07-09 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zlaya-koroleva.livejournal.com
http://www.gramota.ru/spravka/letters?rub=rubric_88

Date: 2009-07-09 07:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taurvat.livejournal.com
Read carefully, it states "generally recommended" :)

Date: 2009-07-09 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zlaya-koroleva.livejournal.com
read carefully till the end :-)

exhaustively

Date: 2009-07-09 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] umitorio.livejournal.com
I just wouldn't recommend you to do so. It really is too formal.

Date: 2009-07-09 08:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taurvat.livejournal.com
Read every single letter. Nowhere it goes beyond "recommendation" and "common practice".

Date: 2009-07-09 08:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zlaya-koroleva.livejournal.com
Русский - Ваш родной? И смысл статьи всё ж не прояснен? Ну, я умываю руки :=)

Date: 2009-07-09 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scolar.livejournal.com
I would say it's a good idea to capitalize it, when you know the exact addressee of your letter and you sign it by your name. For instance, when I write a postcard to my school teacher, I do capitalize.

But I don't like capitalized "Вы" in standard letters to the customers from the businesses.

Date: 2009-07-09 08:39 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-07-09 08:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karakal.livejournal.com
I strongly recommend that you capitalize вы if you're directly addressing someone you don't know personally or someone you know personally but address вы in everyday life.
Otherwise, it should never be capitalized. Including the stupid ads :)

Date: 2009-07-09 08:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kulakfaust.livejournal.com
What books??!! Do you mean the yellow press?
"Вы" is always capitalized in writing when you are addressing only a single person.
If it's informal, you just write "ты".

Date: 2009-07-09 09:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nemica.livejournal.com
In any books, fiction and non-fiction, in articles and essays, in poetry etc. Capitalizing of вы is heavy overused in Russian advertising texts maybe that is why some people think they should always capitalize вы.

Date: 2009-07-09 09:26 pm (UTC)
oryx_and_crake: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
I don't know what you mean by "yellow press", but here are a few examples from Leskov:

"- Да в чем же вы тут, отец дьякон, видите сомнение? - спрашивали его
те, кому он жаловался."

" - А вы, отец Захария, как вы много логике учились, так вы вот это
прочитайте: "Даде в руку его посох". "

"- А вы, Наталья Николаевна, еще не започивали? - отнесся он к
протопопице."

As you can see, in all of these examples вы is directed to a single person and is not capitalized.

Date: 2009-07-09 09:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kulakfaust.livejournal.com
I have checked it. Chekhov, Brodsky, Blok. I am really surprised!!! You are right! Perhaps as early as in the school this idea was suggested to me. It was strange sometimes. In 3rd class we should write "Родина", but in 4th - "родина".

Date: 2009-07-09 09:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kulakfaust.livejournal.com
My answer is above. I apologize. I am really surprised.

Date: 2009-07-09 09:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alexzzzzz.livejournal.com
Sore point for many Russian internet users.

I have been looking for the exact answer for a long time, but have found no rule that stands for mandatory capitalization of «вы» every time you address a single person. So I take personal and official correspondence as the exceptions to the more general rule ― do not capitalize words inside sentences.

Date: 2009-07-09 10:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thevile.livejournal.com
formal style - capitalize
when you want to express your respect = capitalize
when you write to a person that older you much - capitalize

in other cases it is optional, and amongst your friends that will be interpreted as playing the fool/clown (clown around)
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