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lara86.livejournal.com

Oh, sorry! I feared that...maybe I'll post this to an other community.

Thank you for advising me.

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Единой схемы, к сожалению (или к счастью, потому что так интереснее), нет. Есть только частные правила, о которых вы уже написали.
Только...
вольнА --> вОльны (и это правило - настолько я учила- подходит к всем двухсложным существительным ж. р. на -а, -я )
Здесь что-то не так. Вольна - это краткое прилагательное ж. р. (от прил. вольный), хотя правило, действительно, действует. Но есть имя сущ. "волна" (onda по-итальянски, если я правильно помню), во мн. ч. - вОлны. Ударение в ед.ч. должно падать на окончание - волнА - вОлны, стенА - стЕны, рукА - рукИ и т.д.
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There is no such a rule (fortunately or unfortunately), we can only use special rules for special cases.
But it seems to be a mistake in your example: there is a noun волна (a wave) and a short feminine form of an adjective вольный (free, but the meaning is more complex) - вольна.

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No, your question is fine, it is just that many people here do not know Russian well enough to follow what's being said. Just update your post adding the English translation.

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Общей схемы не существует. Хуже того, большинство русских сами часто не знают какое ударение правильное. Иногда бывает, что несколько возможных ударений считаются одинаково правильными!

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>Иногда бывает, что несколько возможных ударений считаются одинаково правильными!

Hmm. Examples please.
And please don't forget that the working language of this community is English.

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If you don't mind me to answer )

твОрог и творОг are both absolutely okay, the same is for одноврЕменно и одновремЕнно, Иначе и инАче, мышлЕние и мЫшление.

And, yes, many Russians are often confused with stresses.

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veter-vetrennij.livejournal.com

инАче and мышлЕние - there are no other variants

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Most stresses in Russian have to be memorized. Alas.

But the humankind, in its endless hope for better life, invented dictionaries to make life easier. And one of them is Maria Zarva's Dictionary of Stresses (http://slovari.yandex.ru/dict/zarva)!

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I am very sorry, but some of your examples are terribly wrong. Иначе is correct, while your other version is absolutely incorrect and cannot be used. The same with мышлЕние и мЫшление: the first option is correct, while the other is just plain illiterate (hail Gorbachev! :))) As of одноврЕменно и одновремЕнно, the second option exists, but is regarded less correct than the first one (it is more widely used in Southern dialects than in "normative" Russian.) Of your examples, твОрог и творОг make the only pair where both stresses are equally correct.

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http://shkolazhizni.ru/archive/0/n-5957/

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Вас тоже отправляю на ту же статью:
http://shkolazhizni.ru/archive/0/n-5957/

Что касается английского... А если я говорю по-французски, то мне в этом сообществе делать нечего?

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Наберите в гугле "двоякое ударение". Несколько совершенно верных примеров Вам привели ниже.

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Thank you, of coarse, рУки. Just a terrible misprint :)

But I don't think you are right about two patterns for two meanings. There are two meanings and a tendency to stress Ы for the second meanind, but it's not a strict rule.
And the second usage (I'm not sure we really should speak about a separate meaning) is more common.

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You are certainly very welcome to start your own community and set up your own rules. As to this community, the rules were not made by me and it is not up to me to change them.

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So what? Anyone can post anything on the Internet. This is no proof.

And yes, as the working language of this community is English, in case you don't know any English, you cannot be a member. Sorry.

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Иначе and мЫшление are incorrect.

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There are. All the student's books on the subject called Русский язык и культура речи (difficulties in everyday usage, in fact) tell about it.

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In fact мЫшление is the old-fashioned variant, just like творОг. So it is obviously not illiterate. Moreover, I know many old professors (linguists) saying only мЫшление, because it's just an old variant.
My examples are absolutely correct even if NOW many people (not linguists) think they are not.

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I personally hate the word мЫшление, as well as Иначе and одновремЕнно, but as a linguist and as a teacher I have to admit their existence in modern Russian (not dialectal or illiterate).

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Действительно, Интернету верить нельзя. Но в этом случае я и доказать Вам ничего не смогу - у меня нет докторской по филологическим наукам, так что к моим собственным публикациям в журналах, одобренных ГАК, я Вас направить не могу.

Извиняюсь, раз я ошибся сообществом. Удаляюсь.

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Well, I have never heard the name of the article author as a philologist's. A funny article, but not very precise linguistically. Only, the correct answers in its footnote are fine, but then, one can copy-paste much more from the Zarva's Stress Dictionary.

I am afraid you cannot fruitfully participate here is you cannot explain your thoughts in English: this community is for English speakers learning Russian.

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Well, well. I am not a "not linguist," and I know that most of your examples are incorrect and misguiding. Many old professors say "коллёквиум", because it's their professional lingo, but that doesn't make it a correct form of коллоквиум, etc.

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Russia's in bad trouble, then. Somebody has to finally make something with the educational system in the country, if even those who call themselves linguists think that мЫшление, Иначе and одновремЕнно can be correct.

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