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Can't 'все время' be also used? It's clumsy sometimes, but I'd say it can...

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hellga.livejournal.com

Not exactly. It corresponds to "all the time".

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I'd use it but of course not in every possible case. I just asked because it was the first thing I came up with, but was not sure. And I use it more often then "всякий раз, когда..." or "каждый раз, когда..." though they seem to be more beautiful (and a bit old fashioned ;-)).

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paparazzzzi.livejournal.com

they aren't old fashioned, absoletuly.

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+1. E.g.: Я всё время (=каждый раз, когда у меня есть возможность) забываю забрать у тебя книгу.

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That doesn't translate back as "every time".

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Um, what's wrong with "Every time I visit you I forget to get my book back"? Translations aren't always literal nor is the same the meaning before and after translation. In this particular case the meaning can be the same (with the appropriate context), while the translated text can formally differ from the original. Makes sense?

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я все время забываю = I keep forgetting
я всякий раз забываю = I forget [...] every time

Translations aren't always literal nor is the same the meaning before and after translation.

As a translator, I beg to differ. While a literal rendering is sometimes (not always, though) an unattainable ideal, it's not okay to just approximate, without trying to get as close to that ideal as possible.

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I'm sorry, but I see no semantic difference between всё время and каждый/всякий раз in my example/context. I do understand that there are situations in which preservation of the original text is desirable, possibly paramount, but normally the primary goal is to preserve and convey the meaning. That's how, I believe, novels are translated.
As for I keep forgetting, keeping forgetting is apparently a reoccurring action (you forget, you remember, you forget, you remember, etc) and so "every time" is implied. If it wasn't a reoccurring action, you'd just forget once and never remember again.

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oryx_and_crake

There is a difference though. Compare:

В Ирландии все время идет дождь. - ОК
В Ирландии каждый раз идет дождь. - wrong, you cannot say it that way.
The latter case requires a pointer to a particular time or occurrence, e.g.
В Ирландии каждый раз, когда я туда приезжаю, идет дождь.

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Yes, I can't imagine saying the above about the weather in Ireland even if the instance(s) is/are implied. But I don't feel any awkwardness saying in a similar way "Я всё время забываю забрать у тебя книгу". Definitely, the two things (всё время and каждый/всякий раз) aren't always interchangeable, but both can translate as "every time" to English (likewise, not always), which was the original question.

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oryx_and_crake

but both can translate as "every time"
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In some contexts only. In other contexts it will be wrong.

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pinky-the-cow.livejournal.com

It won't be wrong if one is allowed to do all sorts of tampering with the context.
Original question may be interpreted as whether one can use word "время" when relaying the translation of "Every time I..." constructions.

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oryx_and_crake

That's the point. I'd rather use "каждый раз" in these cases.

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pinky-the-cow.livejournal.com

Perhaps it's indeed a question of maintaining the style of expression.

"Всё время" is more colloquial, some carelessness hints are there. "Каждый раз" is more precise, it hints of possible misunderstandings elimination.

Different sort of people (and people pretending to be of some sort or another) would use different constructions.
"All the time" and "every time" seem to bear quite a similar relationship in English, hence it's more natural to advise to adhere to one of them.
Style preservation is always preferrable. Even though there may be many more ways of conveying the same information.

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malim-praedari.livejournal.com

As a fellow translator, I agree wholeheartedly. Freedom from literalness should not tip over into sloppiness.

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crimeanelf.livejournal.com

Yep, there can be a construction "всё время...", like, for example, "на занятии я всё время думала о нём" или "я всё время ошибаюсь".

Now as I think of it, there has to be some difference between when "всё время" and "каждый раз" are used, but I'm not sure I can grasp it...

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Yeah, exactly :-). I guess there should be situations when they are not interchangeable, but I can't come up with them so far.

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I can't think of one where they are interchangeable.

"Every time" introduces a subordinate clause (Every time I [Action A], I [Action B]), and "всё время" can't even be used like that.

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Thanks a lot for the explanation.

Could you please tell if 'every time' is used only to introduce subordinate clauses? I have a feeling I use it not in the right way.

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Not only, I think. Just as «всякий раз». E.g., "fired thrice and missed every time."

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Those do not translate back into English with "every time". "All the time" perhaps, but that's a different expression.

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crimeanelf.livejournal.com

I liked the example "я всё время забываю забрать у тебя книгу", I think, it translates as "every time I forget to pick the book from you", and I don't see how to apply "all the time" here.

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