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I just posted this to my own journal, and while I love the people who read it on a regular basis, they don't usually correct my grammar, as they would rather just discuss (and argue with each other!) about the topic of my post. On one hand that's cool, because I learn a lot of new words and am exposed to a wide variety of world views, but it isn't exactly helping me improve my Russian...

So, if any of you could help correct the content of my post below, I'd really appreciate it. And oh yeah, if you are totally in love with Sarah Palin and think she is the answer to all of America's problems, maybe skip this one, ok? My purpose in posting this is to get help with my Russian, not upset Republican learners of Russian language. ;) That being said, here it is:



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Сара Пэйлин точно как наш президент Буш, а в платем и губной помаде. <---- Sarah Palin is exactly like our President Bush, but in a dress and lipstick.

(I had wanted to say "Вот я сказала: Сара Пейлин сука / There I said it: Sarah Palin is a bitch," as the title of the blog entry that I'm referring to was entitled, but I'm really not comfortable using the word "bitch" in Russian. It's much more stronger than the English equivalent, right? I worry that by using that word, I will come off as crass.... Is there a better word to use, that means "bitch" in Russian, or is it ok to just go ahead and use "сука"? Btw, I'm a woman - does it matter that I use that kind of word in Russian? For some reason, I think it does, because my Russian male friends never seem to want to teach me Russian profanity...)


Сегодня утром одна из мои хороших подруг послала мне этот линк:
This morning one of my good girlfriends sent me the link to this blog:

http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/2008/10/03/bitch-there-i-said-it/

Хотя блог на английском языке, я хочу поделиться с всем блогом. Две бабушки пишут этот блог. Бабушки подруги очень давно - больше чем 60 лет. Внук из Хелена (одна из бабушек) учил её как изпользовать компьютер и как заводить свой блог. В них самым недавним писание, они написали что республиканский кандидат на пост вице-президента США - Сара Пэйлин - сука.

Although the blog is in English, I want to share it with everyone. Two old ladies write it. The old ladies have been friends for a really long time - over 60 years. The grandson of Helen (one of the old ladies) taught her how to use a computer and set up her own blog. In their most recent post, they wrote that the Republican candidate for vice president (of the US), Sarah Palin, is a bitch.

Я не знаю, Вас интересуют или нет этот блог и американская политика, а я ещё смеюсь о том что они написали о Пэйлинa. Я с ним согласно - Сара Пеилин сука. Она точно как наш президент Буш, а в платем и губной помаде.

I don't know if you are interested in this blog and American politics or not, but I'm still laughing about what they wrote about Palin. I completely agree with them - Sarah Palin is a bitch. She's exactly like our President Bush, but in a dress and lipstick.

Date: 2008-10-05 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alamar.livejournal.com
"Я не знаю, интересует ли Вас этот блог и американская политика, а ещё я посмеялась, что они написали о Пэйлин. Я с ним согласна - Сара Пейлин сука. Она точно как наш президент Буш, только в платье и с губной помадой."
Still not perfect stylistically

Date: 2008-10-05 05:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alamar.livejournal.com
"Не знаю, интересует ли вас американская политика, но я смеялась.
Я с ними согласна - Сара Пейлин сука. Как Буш, только в платье и макияже."
Something like that. All obvious words and definitions stripped out.

Date: 2008-10-05 05:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tuda-i-obratno.livejournal.com
May be:

Я не знаю, интересен ли Вам этот блог или нет, и вообще американская политика. Я смеялась, когда читала, что они написали о Пейлин. Я с ними согласна, Сара Пейлин - сука. Она точно как наш президент Буш, только в юбке и губы накрасила.

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Date: 2008-10-05 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alamar.livejournal.com
Хотя блог на английском языке, я хочу поделиться им со всеми. Его пишут две бабушки. Они подруги уже очень давно - больше 60 лет. Внук Хелены (одна из бабушек) научил её пользоваться компьютером, завести свой блог. Последняя их запись: они написали, что республиканский кандидат на пост вице-президента США - Сара Пэйлин - сука.

Date: 2008-10-05 05:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] konstkaras.livejournal.com
Сара Пэйлин - точь-в-точь как наш президент Буш, только в плате и с накрашенными губами

Сегодня утром одна моя хорошая подруга приcлала мне этот линк:

...
Хотя блог на английском языке, я хочу поделиться со всем блогом (what did you mean? your readers or that blog?). Этот блог ведут две бабушки. Бабушки подруги очень давно - больше чем 60 лет. Внук Хелена (одной из бабушек) учил её как иcпользовать компьютер и как заводить свой блог. В своей недавней записи они написали, что республиканский кандидат на пост вице-президента США - Сара Пэйлин - сука.

Я не знаю, интересует Вас или нет этот блог и американская политика, а я ещё (qwhat did you mean? are you still laughing?) смеюсь от того, что они написали о Пэйлин. Я с ним согласно - Сара Пеилин сука. Она точно как наш президент Буш, i>только в плате и с накрашенными губами.

Date: 2008-10-05 05:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] konstkaras.livejournal.com
1.Я хочу поделиться со всеми

Sorry for lack of my attention

Date: 2008-10-05 10:36 pm (UTC)
oryx_and_crake: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
в платЬе

not сука! The meaning of this word in Russian is not exactly the same.

Date: 2008-10-05 11:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
I'd say научил, because now she is able to use computer / keep a blog.

Он научил их пользоваться компьютером и вести блог.

Date: 2008-10-05 05:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miram.livejournal.com
Сегодня утром одна (моя) хорошая подруга прислала мне этот линк:

Хотя этот блог на английском языке, я хочу поделиться им со всеми. Его ведут две бабушки. Они дружат очень давно - больше 60 лет. Внук одной из бабушек, Хелен(ы), научил её пользоваться компьютером и объяснил, как завести блог. В самом последнем посте (в самой последней записи) они обозвали республиканского кандидата на пост вице-президента США Сару Пейлин сукой.

Не знаю, заинтересует ли вас этот блог и вообще интересуетесь ли вы американской политикой, но я до сих пор смеюсь над тем, что они написали о Саре Пейлин. Я с ними полностью согласна: Сара Пейлин -- самая настоящая сука. Она в точности наш президент Буш, только в юбке и накрашенная.

Date: 2008-10-05 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alamar.livejournal.com
"прислала мне эту ссылку"

While you can spot линк in the wild, I'd recommend sticking to ссылка.
Especially when you're translating something and don't want it to sound like a translation.

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Date: 2008-10-05 05:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zhp.livejournal.com
Iäve always had the feeling that the kind of person that is called "bitch" in English is usually called "стерва" in Russian. In my opinion, "сука" is just a word implying that you don't like the person but not saying anything about the personality. Стерва describes the person's character as ...erm ... bitchy (sorry, couldn't find a better word).

Date: 2008-10-05 06:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malim-praedari.livejournal.com
I agree. "Стерва" is a much better translation in this case: less crude than "сука" and thus closer in emotional "temperature" to the English "bitch" (which is a less strong word than Russian "сука", although they mean literally the same thing; it's a denotation/connotation thing).

About guys refusing to teach you swear words: it is still considered uncouth in Russian culture for men to swear in the presence of a woman, or for the woman to swear at all. That's an ideal, of course, and like everything else in our degenerate times, this custom is fading, but it is better preserved than what I observe in the US, for example.

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Date: 2008-10-05 10:37 pm (UTC)
oryx_and_crake: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
Oh, I did not see this comment when I wrote mine. Yes, you are absolutely right.

Date: 2008-10-05 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ryururu.livejournal.com
real russian is: Сара Пэйлин -- президент Буш, но в платье и губной помаде.

about russian 'сука' and english 'bitch', it's very equal, because in russian we have much unpolite and even illegal: 'блять'. it's not even dictinary world. could be only in criminal or unprintable dictionary. but 'сука' is legal word.
ethymology of 'сука' and strict meaning is "she-dog".

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Date: 2008-10-05 06:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolk-off.livejournal.com
Well, if you decided to teach innocent Americans the worst Russian obscenities, you could at least write it correctly, could you?

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Date: 2008-10-05 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ryururu.livejournal.com
or just: Сара Пэйлин -- президент Буш в платье и губной помаде.

Date: 2008-10-05 09:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] p4i1.livejournal.com
If you want to soften Russian translation of word "bitch" you can make it "сучка":

Я с ними согласна, Сара Пейлин - сучка.

This still sounds impolite, but less from my personal opinion.

Date: 2008-10-05 11:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
сучка does not fit at all here.

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Date: 2008-10-06 08:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scifigal.livejournal.com
Now I want to use the word "bitchka" :)

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