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Odd sentence, but thanks!

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oryx_and_crake

у тебЯ
чиСтый
otherwise is OK grammatically, but, frankly, this does not make any sense.

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Oh you're right, it's чистый. I think I accidentally hit the "C" key, which is the key for ц. Not used to typing in Russian yet, hah.

And yeah, really odd sentence.

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the meaning of the post card is: "now you are ok. but without me. you may think that you are well and rich, and that i'm bad and worse then you."

on hand writing: yes, we russians write letters always like that. it's very quickly and comfortable. but sometimes not for reading person. not everybody have good hand.
:)

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Just wonder how had you figured out the meaning?

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i'm russian
:)

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Me too, but you're still the only one who supposed that the sentence makes any sense. Was it the picture of a girl at the background that made you think about the sentence as a message from someone's ex? Without it it sounds more like a letter from someone's money: imagine a person who once said "деньги - грязь!", they got offended and left him/her) Anyway, the text sounds artificial and awkward, and i wonder why you have no doubts in your interpretation.

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you know this kind of post cards (ready to use). this one is one of them. and they are for most usual cases. this very one is obvious for the ex-girlfriend's one.

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Kind of masochist behaviour for an ex-girlfriend to sign as "dirt"... Anyway, what is her point then? Well, her partner could accuse her of trying to get into his wallet but why "dirt"

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no. it's sarcastic and irony: really she means he did a big mistake, and more: he is dirt, not she. and most of all because he thinks that she is not so wealthy as he is. yes, the point is about money.

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So, these postcards became quite retarded since i've read them for last time. I definitely wouldn't regret for my decision if someday i get something like this.

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yes. from time to time i drop my eye on them near cashier. some of them are very funny.

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oryx_and_crake

You have a really rich imagination. I don't think this postcard says any of that.

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and on this very post card the letters are very clear: "...чистый..."

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Thanks for the comment!

Yeah, I saw it was чистый, but I hit the wrong key and accidentally typed ц

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ok.
:)

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Abbreviations are usually written in block letters, but not necessarily.

And if you'd really like to improve your recognition skills, try this one (http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/6514/handwritingnq0.jpg) ;)

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Good lord. That would probably take me a full hour to type out. It's pretty legible writing though, nothing too crazy--I'm just really slow.

I see what you mean by the abbreviation on top being written in block/type letters. Thanks for this! Is this your writing?

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It's not mine as my handwriting looks really ugly :) It's my university group mate's.

I understand it'd be tiring to type all the text, so if you understand everything what's written it's very good, because it takes time even for me to decipher some words ;)

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apollotiger.livejournal.com

Is that by any chance about calculus? I caught the word “Differential” at the top …

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lyovchik.livejournal.com

Yep. That's on partial differential equations.
But it seems there's too much words and few formulae ;)

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That is the introductory lection :)

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Yes. And lyovchik is correct about the text being a lecture on PDE.

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firebottle.livejournal.com

Russians, as a general rule, don't print and almost always write in cursive. Is this really true?
In general, it is - as it really speeds up the handwriting.

What if you needed to write, say, a sign to put in a window in Russian?
Last time I needed that to leave my phone number in my car when I parked locking another car (so another driver can call me and I move my car to get them out), and I used font defined in ЕСКД (common standard for technical documentation) - it looks like:

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Interesting. That says ГОСТ 2.304-81 тип Б, right? Unusual that the capital letters look block/type, but the lowercase seem more like the handwritten version.

Thanks!

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yes, in technical documentation in russia we use the standart.

in some official application forms we have to print letters too.

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Yes, most Russians write in cursive, if they have to write fast. I knew a few people in my college days who have been trying to write fast in block letters just to stand out of the dull rows of commoners, but ended up inventing a kind of "block cursive" instead, thus making their handwriting completely incomprehensible (even for themselves.) Trick is, all Russians are taught exclusively cursive in elementary school, which means that in the early age we write almost always in cursive, while we read both block and cursive letters.

To make a sign to put in a window, most dull commoners ;-) would still use cursive, just because they weren't taught how to make even block letters; except that possibly, their letters wouldn't be connected, that's all. People who use large block letters for things like that, normally have some sort of graphic design training (or, earlier -- scale drawing training, because in Soviet schools scale drawing was a serious course, and Russian scale drawing employs mostly block letters.)

Here's one good example of a handwritten sign (picked up from a magazine sales stand at a jazz concert in Moscow recently ;-)):

Edited Date: 2008-10-05 08:23 am (UTC)

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Interesting. That says... Всё ? по 100 руб right?
Thanks!

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Correct. It says that everything on this stand costs one hundred roubles :)

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khathi.livejournal.com

They teach block letters in elementary school, but most people forgets them, because they rarely ever use them -- except in handwritten notes (when one need to write big letters, which is awkward in cursive) or scale drawings.

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I had a weird course called печатание in the 3rd grade (which had nothing to do with actual typing -- it was, in fact, "writing in block letters"!), but it was so clumsily taught, and the course itself was so weak (it was obviously introduced to restore balance between cursive writing and block letters, but seemingly not thoroughly prepared) that most of my class never could write in block letters appropriately. I could, because I always had a knack for fonts and unusual handscripts, and so did a few others who were later good at drawing, or scale drawing, or both. BTW my class was the first to study печатание in our school (it was 1976,) so obviously the previous generation was even worse in non-cursive writing.

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khathi.livejournal.com

We had it in 1st grade in 85, and it wasn't all that weak -- just hardly usable. And most (well, many) kids already could read and write block letters before school, so it wasn't actually anything new for them too.

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In my time, at least in some schools, teaching kids to read and write BEFORE SCHOOL was considered anti-pedagogic, if not harmful, and was strictly not encouraged. In our school, when parents brought their future first-graders to an interview with the principal, and old lady there (later I learned that she was an experienced elementary school teacher, about to retire) would advise us in barely audible whisper: "just don't tell her you already can write, OK? Our principal believes that reading early is tolerable, but writing early, NOT ACCORDING THE RULES TAUGHT AT SCHOOL, is very, very bad."
I could read and write sine I was four, but at that time it was considered unusual and even harmful by the education authorities. When I was five, I've been taking a little private course called "aesthetic education," which included drawing, plastiline modeling, reading, singing etc.; it was seriously considered "dissident activity," and I was not even istructed not to tell anybody -- I just KNEW I shouldn't :)

Edited Date: 2008-10-05 11:00 am (UTC)

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khathi.livejournal.com

Well, ten years later things were much less strict already. I could read since 3, and while everybody were surprized that I've started that early, nobody said it was bad. Although I remember some adamantine old-timers who thought that it should be their way only, that's sure. But now not only nobody give a damn, but teachers EXPECT kids to come to school already literate, and reading (that is, teaching HOW to read) course is downscaled significantly.

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Not sure if I know how it's right now, but 13 years ago, when I brought my kid to the elementary school, it already was more or less as you described. I'll tell you more, I was really surprised that the elementary school teacher did'n care about how well the kids write at all. At leas she really did't care about teaching them the proper hand movement, so they went through really painful time trying to copy the "ideal" cursive with wrong hand movement. I had enough time and patience to teach my kid myself, so his handwriting ended up being not that bad, but when I saw kids in his class drawing shaking, uneasy, uneven letters holding their pens literally in their fists, and making so much effort that their hands should hurt like heck afterwards, I was really, really surprised. Apparently the teached didn't give a damn.

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everybody learn and know how to write the block letters, but actualy there is no need to do it. we understand it.
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konstkaras.livejournal.com

What if you needed to write, say, a sign to put in a window in Russian?

I'm a university teacher, I use to white much with chalk, and I use both handwriting and typed letters. Maybe I use typed letters for larger text, written for smaller, but I don't think it's very reasonable.

Font used in the postcard is partly non-standard and obsolete; in 1989 I was taught in the school with other style, which contained less elements and less variants of writing, but needed
more accuracy.

Demand to use standard handwriting style was quite strict during all elementary and secondary school (that is, teacher lowered marks not only for indistinct writing, but also for violation of the standard!). But it's not very rational - the only adult people who strictly use it are elementary school teachers, other one having good hand adopt to write other way.

As far as I know, schools English-speaking have less strict demands, don't they?

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