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[upthera44.livejournal.com]

I am learning to play the song "Vosmiklassnitsa" by Kino and I'm wondering what a line means... 
    
И светят фонари давно
Ты говоришь: "Пойдём в кино"
А я тебя зову в кабак, конечно.

Does the last line mean "But I ask you to the tavern / bar, of course" ?

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[oryx_and_crake]

yes
I invite you/suggest going to the bar

[trepang.livejournal.com]

it does.

[upthera44.livejournal.com]

Ok, thanks

[kunaifusu.livejournal.com]

Кабак at that time was slang for a restaurant. A soviet restaurant was a mix of club and a sit down dinner type place, even getting inside was not easy and and the prices were way too high. Using diminishing slang such as "кабак" here is like saying "To maxi, of course" referring to the Maxim place in Paris with 3 months queue or something of this sort. In other words showing off in front of the girl.

[upthera44.livejournal.com]

Very cool. Thanks

[bokh.livejournal.com]

That's an interesting interpretation. I always thought of кабакs in general, and in the context of Tsoy's songs, as a cheap place to get drunk at - something on par with a пивная.

The lifestyle portrayed in his songs doesn't strike me particularly compatible with a 3-month-queue fancy restaurant. He's a working-class guy from the projects, after all ;)

[bayukov.livejournal.com]

yes, kabak is a slang word and sounds more rude and negative than bar.

[gnomobile.livejournal.com]

why negative?

[rasovsky.livejournal.com]

it's a slighting name

[rasovsky.livejournal.com]

scornful, disparaging

[merry1978.livejournal.com]

The word кабак in modern Russian (not in historical use, that is) is associated with heavy drinking, low social classes etc. Usually it means that the place is not propriate, often dirty and/or cheap.

Using such a derogative term to describe a normal bar or a restorant usually means that the speaker's showing off and claims that he/she has no problems with money, etc.

[trurle.livejournal.com]

The word кабак in modern Russian (not in historical use, that is) is associated with heavy drinking, low social classes etc.
Really?
Even in Russian language of the year 1988?

[mark-y.livejournal.com]

Do we talk about 1988?
I'd say, merry1978 gave an uttter definition, the most complete one.

[trurle.livejournal.com]

Do we talk about 1988?
I have no idea what are you talking about, but the original question was about "Kino" lyrics, written circa 1988.
I'd say, merry1978 gave an uttter definition, the most complete one.
I'd say that I am more familiar with the word кабак usage described by kunaifusu.

[karakal.livejournal.com]

It was written in 1981 or 1982. Tsoy's first album.

[mark-y.livejournal.com]

Except my apoligies, I've forgotten we were discussing Kino.
In this contex, kunaifusu is surely closer the meaning.

[adv-paladin.livejournal.com]

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[bayukov.livejournal.com]

you don't agree? Visotsky sang 'it is not a church and it is not a kabak...'. So kabak is a place of a low moral, something opposite to 'church'. Say, somebody sais 'my daugther has been to a bar yesterday'. It is neutral. But my daugher has been to kabak sounds differently.

[gnomobile.livejournal.com]

I guess now it has more ironic meaning, especially when young people use it.

[bayukov.livejournal.com]

anything low has ironic meaning when young people use it :)

[gnomobile.livejournal.com]

true))

[imajin.livejournal.com]

Dou like this band? It's great!

[laertid.livejournal.com]

I used to think that the point of this line is that the protagonist suggests a more ah mature way of spending an evening than his girlfriend, a freshman in highschool :)

[sergey-chernov.livejournal.com]

Just a bar, really. Nothing negative. Pretty neutral at that time.

[sergey-chernov.livejournal.com]

Or not more negative, than just any bar.