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[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

Hello!
How would you say "dirty old lady" (when your not necessarily talking about somone old.. or dirty) in Russian? I mean in a case when a woman is like a generation older then her lover. (I mean, "dirty old man" is not as condemning as "old pervert", I guess). 

I hate those kinds of words and expressions (and love them), it's like food or like the swedish word "tant", we don't have quite the same words because we dont have quite the same tings (or at least we do not look at them quite the same way)! It is espacially fascinating when it comes to different words for different kinds of women - it is very context bound...;-)

So my question is really about the word "dirty" in this sence. All the words I can think of is somewhat more crude.

Amanda

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[p4i1.livejournal.com]

Maybe "dirty old lady" -> "старая развратница"

[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

Thank you!
But isn't tahat a little more crude and harsh tahn dirty old lady? More lik "preverted old lady"?

[besisland.livejournal.com]

Похотливая старуха?

[aromanov.livejournal.com]

I vote for this. похотливая старуха sounds and even feels (I mean ONLY words, you know ;) exactly like it does in English.

[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

"even feels (I mean ONLY words, you know ;) "
yeah, sure, i know what all little boys dream of.

[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

Thanks!
I think taht is what I'm looking for. It almost sounds a little cute....

[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

the "poxitlivaja staruxa"...

[mpgriboff.livejournal.com]

i was thinking of "старая кошелка" but in terms of sexual relationship the first idea is better :)

[p4i1.livejournal.com]

yeah.. "старая кошелка" sounds frigid and asexual )

[mpgriboff.livejournal.com]

well, to me старая развратница isn't really arousing either, to be honest)))

[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

gm, "koshelka" meaning like a pocket or alittle or something?! that sound very crude...

[mpgriboff.livejournal.com]

it means a bag made of something like fishnet
quite popular among old soviet ladies))

старая кошелка is crude indeed

[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

Spasibo! so I wont used that one when i am joking with my friend whos is ten years older than her boyfriend...

[mpgriboff.livejournal.com]

only if she's really close and would understand that you are definetly joking, otherwise it's really offensive

if you'd describe the situation in the beginning, i'd suggest the старая развратница version

anyway, you are welcome))

[archaicos.livejournal.com]

If you're also interested in sexually unrelated terms, there're a few more:
(старая) грымза
(старая) карга
сварливая старуха
мегера
старая вешалка
старая пердунья/пердушка

[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

They are all kind of pejorative, aren't they? why did you assume i wanted bad words for women...?
;-)
dont you have any cute words for old women, (except babushka, babulya...).

[archaicos.livejournal.com]

Right, but notice, it was you who started talking about dirty or otherwise not very pleasant old people. :)
Surely there're good ones. Lemme think a lil. Ah, there:

(бабушка/старушка -) божий одуванчик

all kinds of diminutives:
бабуся/бабуська (mostly when talking with or among very little kids),
бабуленька/бабусенька

мамаша (can be somewhat pejorative too, depends on the context and intonation)

rare/old: матушка

rare in the cities nowadays: кумушка

very rare for this purpose: тётя/тётенька/тётечка/тётушка

Not too many. I think others (which I can't think of now) would be mostly composed of several words.

[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

Spasibo!!!!
I know, I'm just kidding...;-)

[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

Once, when I was on a train from St petersburg to moscow, the guy who had the bed opposite to mine, titeled me "мать".
He was a podpol'kovnik, didnt seem very educated, a bit drunk, but nice and friendly. He said to me in a discussion:
"Да, мать, ты права!".
I didn't really know how to take that, or even if it was directed to me, or just a word... I was 23. But
But I took it as a respectfull word

[archaicos.livejournal.com]

It's one of those cases when the actual meaning is different from the original. It's indeed a kind of informal and fairly respectful address. Just like when somebody refers to their friend as старик, in which case it means an old friend and not necessarily an old person. And sometimes it's just a bit odd and funny to use such words.

[archaicos.livejournal.com]

+ старушенция :)

[kunaifusu.livejournal.com]

There is a saying "седина в голову(бороду sometimes, men only obviously) - бес в ребро" used to describe this for both sexes.

[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

Thanks! That would be when somebody is in pensioneer age, right, you wouldent say it about a person in their thirties?

[archaicos.livejournal.com]

Most likely not.

[kunaifusu.livejournal.com]

What is the problem? The saying is about somebody involved with somebody much younger, not about somebody in pensioner age.

[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

thank you! I'm thinking about starting a collection of differnt word in differnet for women and men ;-) Words taht actually mena just man or women,but have different connotations and are used in differnt contexts.

[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

"Yandex search shows that старая развратница is a better option."
Why? beacuse it is more common? I think it sound to crude...

[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

Oh, really, thank you, I didn't know that. To me razvratnica sounds like "pervert", but it cant be that pejorative if it is less pejorative then staruxa.
What about "poxotlivaja starushka", considering starushka is not pejorative at all, if a person truely is old.

[olydiagron.livejournal.com]

But the fact that it is more common doesent mean it is the term I am looking for...

To be direct:
To me, "razvratnica" sounds like somebody who does more things then just have normal sex, so to speak. To me the word "razvrat", means that there is something immoral to it, no? (like taking advantage of a person.)
Dirty is softer than razvrat, no?