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Is it administration's position?

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Well unless I've missed a big reform in a community I once founded, it's the position, as one of our ruder idioms puts it, of a certain stray body part from a mountain.

Edited Date: 2008-03-17 01:56 am (UTC)

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I'm frustrated a litle. Does it read 'found' or 'founded'? Different verbs, you know.

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yers.livejournal.com

Founded.

freedomcry is also me.

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OK, thanks.

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Нет, только моя личная.

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Then I'd like to hear official position JIC.

For my opinion, use/don't use question is not very important for not native speaker.

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С другой стороны, для меня, как для человека, который вынужден наблюдать, как из-за всякой чиновной сволочи буква "Ё" изчезает отовсюду , откуда только возможно, это очень больной вопрос.

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So, I reckon, to persuade Russian learners to use the 'Ё', you must prefer English languge in you comments.

Thanks.

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Если бы сообщество называлось "learn_english", то я использовал бы в комментариях английский.
Но так как сообщество называется "learn_russian", то я использую русский.
С моей точки зрения, если я буду давать комментарии на моём родном русском, то участники сообщества будут вынуждены переводить их на свой родной язык и в процессе узнавать и учить новые русские слова и повторять старые.
А если я буду использовать английский - то ничему новому они не научатся.
А так как цель сообщества - учить русский, то я и пишу комментарии на русском и не намерен переходить на английский. Да и не помню я толком этот английский.

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Let me guess... you're misspelling "исчезает" as a form of protest?

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ex-roumor.livejournal.com

ooo another Ё-jihad? ^_^
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archaicos.livejournal.com

ёjad :) We should also outlaw everyone who doesn't put the proper diacritics on the Latin letters and doesn't mind the punctuation, let alone orthography. We are talking about a billion of people or so. Sweet! :)
Seriously, though, correct spelling may indeed be helpful to those who don't know the language well yet. I'd agree with odin2000, but I think there're many more things than just ё to consider and ё isn't really such a big deal. These days we're so poorly educated that the number of mistakes is unbelievably big and at some point it may become easier to take the wrong spelling for the right due to the latter being in the minority.

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The poorly educated ones are those who think ё is compulsory.

FFS, the reason I don't put the dots above every Ё is not that I'm lazy or can't spell, I don't because it's GOOD STYLE not to. At least it's been so before the invasion of the half-literate idiots.

Edited Date: 2008-03-17 02:05 am (UTC)

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icamel.livejournal.com

To memories.

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racoonbear.livejournal.com

А отвечать по-английски, да ещё в таком хамском тоне, это хороший стиль?

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Avant qu'on répond, on pense.

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I have to remind that the working language of this community is English. French does not count as English. Please follow the rules. Thank you.

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I have to remind that the working language of this community is English. Please follow the rules. Thank you.

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I agree.

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Пошел вон.

Emphatically, пошел вон.

Also, the working language of this community is English, so please provide a translation.

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Ahem. With all my respect I have to remind that people in this community are supposed to be civil to each other, and everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. Thank you.

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Sorry.

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Сам пошёл.

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Thank you for your contribution. However, I have to remind that the working language of this community is English. It is OK to post in Russian occasionally but then you are expected to provide a translation. Please follow the rules. Thank you.

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OK, so where is the translation of your original post? Please provide it. (Hint: It is done by editing.)

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Всё, сделано, как Вы и просили.

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Yes, thank you. But I repeat for the third time: this community's working language is English. Including replies to comments. One more time you break this rule, and I will have to ban you. Thank you for your understanding.

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this community's working language is English - and it is a GREAT mistake.

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This community has 3000 members. It has been around since 2000 and still has not died out, neither has it turned into a mindless chat. In my book, this means that the rules are working and the community is functional. I can also remind you of a Russian proverb: "В чужой монастырь со своим уставом не ходят."

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2003.

We've missed our fifth anniversary on March 4.

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The first posts are dated 2000, I just checked. Were they backdated?

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P.S. Let's stop this discussion anyway, please.

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Why, it isn't. Keeps it from being infested by the likes of you, among other things.

You know why

oryx_and_crake is a better admin than I was five years ago? I wouldn't have even talked to you.

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oryx_and_crake,

Yes, they're backdated. Look at the dates on comments there, and the numerical ID of the post. This (http://community.livejournal.com/learn_russian/287.html) is the actual first post.

I was about to apologise for my general jerkiness and thank you for your patience when I ran into you freezing a comment thread after asking a question. Which seems a rather erratic thing to do, and as an admin, erratic is the one, the supreme thing you don't want to be. Or seem, for that matter.

Edited Date: 2008-03-17 07:47 am (UTC)

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smertvichdreng.livejournal.com

...как для человека, который вынужден наблюдать, как из-за всякой чиновной сволочи...

Что за фигня, уже давно все перетерли, давно уже боян... Ну при чем тут чиновники-то?

Втыкай:
http://www.artlebedev.ru/kovodstvo/paragraphs/119/

English version:
http://www.artlebedev.com/mandership/119/

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Цитата из вышеприведённого источника:
Правило. Ё должна использоваться: в случаях возможных разночтений; в словарях; в книгах для изучающих русский язык (т. е. детей и иностранцев); для правильного прочтения редких топонимов, названий или фамилий. Во всех остальных случаях наличие буквы ё только затрудняет чтение. Она плохо выглядит, зато хорошо звучит.

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smertvichdreng.livejournal.com

Ну вот и разобрались. Чиновники тут ни при чем оказались.

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Ну насчёт чиновников ничего не разобрались. Откуда есть пошло неиспользование "Ё" в официальных бумагах?

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You are banned for a week for breaking the community rules. Please remind me to unban you in a week from now. Thank you.

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You are banned for a week for breaking the community rules. Please remind me to unban you in a week from now. Thank you.

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eyeballmassage.livejournal.com

well in any case i'm thankful for people using ё because it's helpful when you still don't speak russian that well- does anyone have any examples of words that look like other words when ё is not used? or does this not exist?

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