[identity profile] olydiagron.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] learn_russian
Could somebody russian help with the correct answers, I got only 12 out of 20!
Итак, у вас... 12 правильных ответов.
12 правильных ответов
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Date: 2007-11-25 12:28 am (UTC)
oryx_and_crake: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
I, being a native speaker, got 15 of 20. So 12 for a non-native speaker is really good.

Date: 2007-11-25 12:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aylie-serinde.livejournal.com
You know... I'm a native speaker too, but I've got 12... The test is not so plain and easy really. I know a great number of people who use wrong variants in everyday speech, and it's quite an often and normal practice nowadays. Besides, many rules do change with time, so I believe some variants in test are almost obsolete.

Date: 2007-11-25 01:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] licvidator.livejournal.com
which words didn't you understand?

Date: 2007-11-25 01:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aylie-serinde.livejournal.com
As I said, a lot of correct (according to the dictionaries) variants are so old-fashoioned that they tend to become obsolete. People rarely really use them in speech, the majotity are not at all so well-educated. I'll go and pass this test one more time to tell you some thougths about it. Although our results are equal %)

Date: 2007-11-25 01:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aylie-serinde.livejournal.com
About пЕредали and передАли - the 1st sounds older and is rarely used (although I know it's correct, and if there would have been only one choice - I'd've chosen this one), so I think we have an example of a literary norm in the process of changing :)

Date: 2007-11-25 04:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] belacane.livejournal.com
I think that happens in every language. People have different ways of pronouncing different words.

some that come to mind in english:

vitamins
advertisement
tomato

....etc. etc. etc.

Date: 2007-11-25 12:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] licvidator.livejournal.com
Hah. I'm native speaker, but to my shame, I got only 11 :-)

Date: 2007-11-25 01:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aylie-serinde.livejournal.com
You got the idea :)
Literary norms change in this way)

Date: 2007-11-25 01:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] licvidator.livejournal.com
And because I'm a hacker too - there are right answers:
01. сирОты
02. началИсь
03. танцОвщица
04. бюрокрАтия
05. Общин
06. ведомостЕй
07. нАискось
08. оба варианта
09. рожЕница
10. сосредотОчение
11. гЕнезис
12. агронОмия
13. немотА
14. оба варианта
15. оптОвый
16. шпрИца
17. фенОмен
18. рефлЕксия
19. каллигрАфия
20. избалОванный

Date: 2007-11-25 01:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] licvidator.livejournal.com
thank you!
I have never heard the words 7,9 and 10 (i heard it as a verb but not as a noun). I will look them up and try to use them next time i spea to a Russian ;-)

7. obliquely, slantwise, aslant.
9. woman in childbirth or woman recently confined, generally used in maternity hospitals
10 synonym of concentration

optOvyj!?
I was sure it was Optovyj...

Date: 2007-11-25 01:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aylie-serinde.livejournal.com
Well, as we have a hacker with us, my task has become much easier %)
So:
1. Сироты - well, the word itself is archaic, although we don'd have a modern synonym, so it is used but it's a rare word. A lot of people would say сИроты, afaik. A difficult task.
2. НачалИсь is the correct answer - you see, the stress on the last sillable in these forms of verbs is an old fashion, nowadays many people say нАчались (althouth I myself really like the correct form началИсь - and use it), besides, Russian is spoken not only in the European part of Russia itself (where exists the variant of the language taken as a literary norm - exists in live speech), but in many other regions and countries as a native language, so there are regional variations (which are _regional_ norms).
3. ТанцОвщица - well, as for me танцовщИца sounds really nicer.
5. Общин - well, if we recall the Russian phrase Палата Общин, I just can't imagine other stress. In this case and number.
7. нАискось - a really beautiful and rare old word) I doubd many native speakers use it correctly)
6. ВедомостЕй - I'm really shocked. It sounds even a bit wrong to me... a bit awkward.

Date: 2007-11-25 01:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aylie-serinde.livejournal.com
9, 10 and 11 sound really strange to me - never heard them said like this.
I myself would say рОженица, генЕзис and сосредоточЕние - like in заключЕние, поручЕние and so on.
оптОвый is the correct literary variant but as the word is very frequently used and by not at all well-educated people (those who sell something rarely have good education - otherwise they would have found a better, more intellectual job - though there are exceptions, economic situation may vary a lot) it is usually said less nicely but more in more convenient way - Оптовый.

Date: 2007-11-25 03:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aylie-serinde.livejournal.com
Oh, I remembered why I liked this танцовщИца variant!
There is a bard singer from St.Petersburg Александр Розенбаум, he has a very beautiful nostalgic song Вальс Бостон, there was a line in it:
И со всей округи люди приходили к нам,
И со всех окрестных крыш слетались птицы,
ТанцовщИце золотой захлопав крыльями...
It's strange, St. Petersburg (Питер as people gently shorten it) is considered to be the cultural and educational centre of Russian nation.. Althouth poets have the right to do what they want with the language for their poetic needs including the change of stress I guess...

Date: 2007-11-25 01:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tisoi.livejournal.com
OMG I got 11/20 by just guessing. lol

Date: 2007-11-25 01:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] licvidator.livejournal.com
always checking top chechbox could gave you 12|20 :-)

Date: 2007-11-25 08:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-roumor.livejournal.com
for some words you have to put stress in an unusual way when in professional slang.

usual | pro
кОмпас - компАс (sea)
асИмптота - асимптОта (math)
добЫча - дОбыча (oil/gas etc)
компЫ(computers) - кОмпы

etc

Date: 2007-11-25 09:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evermore-spb.livejournal.com
асИмптота????? Where have you heard this?
Though I'm a mathematician, I can't judge))

Date: 2007-11-25 11:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-roumor.livejournal.com
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BF%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B0

well lots of people use асИмптота.
but our university's teachers(not all of them) pronounce like асимптОта.
sounds wierd but adds some mathematical flavor to it.

Date: 2007-11-25 11:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evermore-spb.livejournal.com
I pretty well know what asymptote is, being the student of maths faculty. I just told that _асИмптота_ sounds weird to me. And асимптОта doesn't adds mathematical flavor at all, it's just our common way to pronounce. However found some discussions on the inet about this word... very strange news :)

Date: 2007-11-25 03:10 pm (UTC)
oryx_and_crake: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
I graduated from a math department, we said асИмптота

Date: 2007-11-25 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dp-maxime.livejournal.com
According to the Mathematical Dictionary both variants are OK.

Date: 2007-11-25 10:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arnold3.livejournal.com
I am a native speaker and have only 10.



12 is a very good result.

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