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[bellezzarubata.livejournal.com]

Would it be correct to say, "какие это ручка и карандаш" or "какие эти ручка и карандаш", or something else entirely?

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[oryx_and_crake]

Off the top of my head, both ways are possible.

[sombreadm.livejournal.com]

I think better way to not use 'это' in this case
try "какие ручка и карандаш?"

[oryx_and_crake]

Sounds unnatural to me, or fit for a different context altogether.

Compare two situations.

Person A.
- Какие это ручка и карандаш?
Person B.
- Красные (новые etc.)

Person A.
- Где мои новые ручка и карандаш?
Person B. (pretending that he's completely innocent)
- Какие ручка и карандаш?

You see that these are two different phrases and they are not interchangeable.

[sombreadm.livejournal.com]

Person A.
- Где мои новые ручка и карандаш?
Person B. (pretending that he's completely innocent)
- Какие ручка и карандаш?
Person A.
- Красные (мои, новые, etc)

:) Right?

[oryx_and_crake]

Yes. But it is a different situation from this one:

Person A. (holding a pen and a pencil)
- Какие это ручка и карандаш?
Person B.
- Красные (новые etc.)

You see that still there are two different situations and the two phrases are not interchangeable; if the person A says, showing the pen and pencil, "Какие ручка и карандаш?" that would sound wrong.

[vovse-ne.livejournal.com]

Or:

Person A.
- Где мои новые ручка и карандаш?
Person B. (pretending that he's completely innocent)
- Какие это ручка и карандаш?!
Person A.
- Красные (мои, новые, etc)

;)

[pzrk.livejournal.com]

This abstract form is obscuring - the question "какого они цвета" (I guess it is the most reasonable for a pen | a pencil) is much better.

[therox.livejournal.com]

I don't think, this is the correct sentence. It may look like "Какого цвета (эти) ручка с карандашом" (if it is about color) or "Что это за ручка с карандашом" (if you want to know some other information)

[spiritrc.livejournal.com]

As you can see from the comments, the correct answer to your question depends on the context. So if you provide us with the context in which you're going to use that question, we'll probably give a more precise answer.

[omi-nya.livejournal.com]

In fact, people in Russia rarely use that way of speaking.
It would be more naturally to say "Что это за карандаш с ручкой?" "Какие они, эти карандаш и ручка?"
If you speak about how they're look like, it's better to say "Как выглядят эти ручка и карандаш". In the same way you can ask about their color "Как пишут эти ручка и карандаш"
Main idea of composing - you use "эти" 'cause there're more then 1 thing you're talking about (in this situation - 2 things- *ручка*, *каранда*). If you speak about only 1 object, you use "это".
Or something like that:)))
You should tell us more details about situation

[bellezzarubata.livejournal.com]

Unfortunately, it's from my Russian language workbook, so they do make you say funny things. I would have gone for one of the ones you suggested, myself.