ё

[ammaelis.livejournal.com]

also, is there a rule for when ё appears and disappears in a word? for example, олицетворЕние has the adjective олицетворЁнный, but in many other words ending in -ение the corresponding adjective ends in -енный.

are there rules for this or must it be learnt?

thanks.

Comments

[asklepij.livejournal.com]

I'd say, it must be learnt. It's a pity, that our publishers always write "е" instead of "ё" :(

[judiwe.livejournal.com]

And internet users also:))

[asklepij.livejournal.com]

But not me! :)

[judiwe.livejournal.com]

Well, we can try to work it out ourselves:))
Please, give me examples of words on -ение that have adjectives ending on -енный.

[ammaelis.livejournal.com]

перемещение – перемещенный?

having looked, actually, there don't seem to be many. but i do find that whole business of ё vs. е a bit tricky. i guess it must be learnt.

the other one i have difficulty with is verbs ending in -ереть. in the masculine past, some have ё and others don't. например запереть – 'запер' и стереть – стёр.

[llill.livejournal.com]

About the latter. Ё is always stressed.

[judiwe.livejournal.com]

перемещённый
So it isn't the right example:))

Yes, ё is always stressed so when there is only one syllable it's easy:)) When there are two you should learn.

[llill.livejournal.com]

THE RULE

If the consonant after the E/Ё is hard then read Ё.
If the consonant after the E/Ё is soft then read E.

The rule is not hard but it is better than nothing.

Examples:
Ель - Ёлка
Метель - метёлка
Сельский - сёла
So on

[judiwe.livejournal.com]

офигенный...

Idon't think it is a correct rule, it has no background... Why can't we have a hard consonant after е???

[llill.livejournal.com]

The rule is not stringent or strict (my English is poor).
Actually we can have a hard consonant after е, but there was such a trend in certain age that E before a hard cosonant turned into Ё. But in Russian there were 2 E-sounds: E and ѣ. And the latter one did not turn into Ё. Now we do not distiguish those sounds and write them both using the letter E.

[judiwe.livejournal.com]

I find the rules of this type very misleading for foreigners.
It's better to learn by heart each word than to use rules of this kind.

[llill.livejournal.com]

OK

[icamel.livejournal.com]

Not only.
Обреченный and обречённый are different words.

[spiritrc.livejournal.com]

Метель - метёлка is a very nice example if we forget that these are different words. Метель means snowstorm, and метёлка means a small whisk. The diminutive from метель is метелица, not метёлка. :)

So the rule looks like you made it up just now. :)

[llill.livejournal.com]

This two words have the same root. Both of them originate from the verb "мести".
By the way, your word "метелица" approve my rule. The l-sound is soft, so there is E but not Ё.

[rpocc.livejournal.com]

Keep in mind that «ё» is always accented if occurs, non-accented letter cannot be «ё».
In adjectives having suffix «ен», «ё» uses if accented, and «е» uses when word is noun like олицетворение.
After all, in most texts except of children literature and dictionaries ё frequently replaces with «е», it's normal.
Last rule have one important exception: Several words have quite different meanings if different letters used. For example Совершенный always means Perfect in meaning similar to "ideal", but Совершённый closer to "accomplished". Because of such duality, «ё» always writes if meant in this kind of words.

[rpocc.livejournal.com]

Update: My first sentence doesn't mean reverse.

[judiwe.livejournal.com]

"In adjectives having suffix «ен», «ё» uses if accented, and «е» uses when word is noun like олицетворение."

офигЕнный
вдохновЕнный
необыкновЕнный

I suspect that Ё is for participles and Е for adjectives.

"Because of such duality, «ё» always writes if meant in this kind of words."

In most of books and journals in Russia there is no Ё at all nowdays.

[spiritrc.livejournal.com]

By the way, if I heard or read "вдохновённый", I would take it for an incorrectly pronounced/spelt "вдохновлённый".
I must think about it. May be when it's a pure adjective (like необыкновенный, вдохновенный) it's "е" and when it's a passive voice (?) from a verb (like вдохновлённый, обновлённый), it's "ё" ?