Земфира - Итоги

[marixxa.livejournal.com]

this is a screencap from the beginning of Zemfira's music video for Итоги (Results):



my question is about how she wrote the И's like regular English I's. is this common/acceptable in Russian handwriting? i have a feeling my Russian teacher might mark me off if i wrote like that. i just noticed it and was curious. do any of you native speakers/writers of Russian here--or students for that matter--write your И's this way?

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[bad-zeppelin.livejournal.com]

As far as I know, that is written in Ukranian.

[marixxa.livejournal.com]

hmm...

well, here are the lyrics (http://www.russmus.net/song.jsp?band=Zemfira&album=4&song=2#phon) which appear to be in Russian!

[bad-zeppelin.livejournal.com]

It is not unusual to put a title for a song in one language, while the lyrics would come in another - a sort of artistic expression, and since Russian and Ukrainian are similar to each other, it makes sense. "Iтогi" - is a proper Ukrainian word for "Results"

[marixxa.livejournal.com]

interesting! are the Russian И and the Ukrainian I equivalent letters?

[bad-zeppelin.livejournal.com]

Well, Ukrainian has them both in the alphabet: и and i. I suppose there are regulations on how to pronounce them and how to use them in writing, but to me they sound absolutely the same. I may be wrong, since I am not a Ukrainian speaker. Pop/rock music from Ukraine is very popular in Russia, that might be a reason for Zemfira to style herself in this way. That's only she knows.

[apollotiger.livejournal.com]

I think that the letter и in Ukrainian is the same as the letter ы in Russian.

[http://users.livejournal.com/celsium_/]

that's right

[apollotiger.livejournal.com]

Ukrainian и is close to Russian ы; Ukrainian i is close to Russian и.

[constpd.livejournal.com]

Ukrainian letter і is the full equivalent of Russian и, the Ukrianian letter и means the sound somewhere between Russian sounds ы and э and it does not palatalize the preceding consonant.

[kart.livejournal.com]

Ukrainian I is equivalent to Russian И.
Ukrainian И is sort of like to Russian Ы and Э.
.. and online кагдила is sort of like Russian здравствуйте ;)

[jojoza.livejournal.com]

Word "ітогі" doesn't exist in Ukrainian. Neither "ітогі" nor "ітоги".

Your word is written in Russian, and English letters were used to show uncommonness. Never do like that, however. You'll be misunderstood.

[bad-zeppelin.livejournal.com]

Seen it many times on blogs and web-sites. Well, whatever...

[constpd.livejournal.com]

Russian word итоги is translated into Ukrainian as підсумки, the words ітогі or ітоги really don't exist.

[fire-81.livejournal.com]

this is NOT acceptable in regular russian handwriting and letters.

You see, english teenagers sometimes write on the walls "Ali G in Da Hause Rockz!!!" instead of "Ali G in the house rocks".
The same thing in Russian.
This is just to attract the attantion and show-off.

[marixxa.livejournal.com]

that is another thing i was wondering about, those silly on-purpose "misspellings" that people write in English. what are other ways that Russian teens might misspell things to look cool?

[fire-81.livejournal.com]

well...
eeeeh...
You see, the so called "misspelling" in Russia now is something more than "teenager's fun".

Have you heared about "PREVED" and so on?

[wire-shock.livejournal.com]

Still it IS teenager's fun :-) Hardly anything more serious.

[fire-81.livejournal.com]

Oh, come'on!

I'm using "PREVED" daily in my LJ just for fun, but I'm not a teenager.
I have at least 50 friends who are older than 25 and joking in "PREVED" style.

Looks like this is not just simple "kids' jokes", more it looks like Mr.Putin's Bloody Regime's results :))

PREVED, PUTIN!

[marixxa.livejournal.com]

i haven't heard of it. is it supposed to be a misspelling of "privet"?

[mytza.livejournal.com]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preved

[semicvetic.livejournal.com]

maybe, so called "падонковский язык"?=) when, for example, instead common words, on-purpose misspellings r used: превед for привет, кагдила for как дела, etc. But it's more internet-like vocabulary, up to me..

[litprince.livejournal.com]

no, we dont. she is a singer and can use even pictures instead of letters. dont pay attention - it s only advertisement) we write "и"

[asklepij.livejournal.com]

I think it could be a kind of a play on words. There's an expression in Russian "расставить точки над i", which can be contextually translated as "to sum up" or "подвести итоги".

[m-entropy.livejournal.com]

which can be contextually translated as "to sum up"

as far as i know, there is the idiom "to dot the i's and cross the t's"

[asklepij.livejournal.com]

So much the better :)

[marixxa.livejournal.com]

ah, see, now THAT makes sense to me! i can understand why she would have done that in the context of that English idiom.

[eyeballmassage.livejournal.com]

thanx for askin this cuz i was too lazy to

[marixxa.livejournal.com]

ahahahahah ничего

[nugae.livejournal.com]

it's better say "не за что"

we answer "ничего" when somebody apologizes

[marixxa.livejournal.com]

yeah, i know about the apologizing, but i thought it would apply here too. good to know the difference!

[wire-shock.livejournal.com]

Actually there was the separate letter 'i' in the Russian alphabet before 1918 but it's since been excluded. Don't use it.

[towarysc.livejournal.com]

Yes, I also thought she uses the pre-revolution orthography. I only don't know how the word итоги was spelled.

[freedomcry.livejournal.com]

Not the way it's spelt here. "i" was only before a vowel, and in the world мiръ (when meaning "world").

[wire-shock.livejournal.com]

Good point :-) The answer is: exactly like today, "итоги".

[freedomcry.livejournal.com]

Looks like it's just used for coolness, much like "4u"="for you" in English, or the trend among Japanese teenagers to spell native Japanese words in katakana (the script used to write foreign words).

[marixxa.livejournal.com]

that seems to be the common consensus. but she's an artist, so i guess she can get away with it :P