[identity profile] xswt-cherryx.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] learn_russian
hi again.
okay I am given the following statements and I have to try to determine what question was asked before the statement. I have given what I think was the appropriate question... can you comment if you think something is out of place... I am especially curious about the placement of 'ночью' in the last sentance. Should i put it in the beginning or the end of the sentance?

given:
1)Пётр и Вера Смирновы живут в Субири.
2)Сейчас они едут домой на поезде.
3)Это интересная книга.
4)Я ем суп и хлеб ночью.
5)Вера любит Ивана.
6)Слоны идут в зоопарк.

the questions i believed were asked:
1)Где Вера и Пётр Смирновы живут?
2)Куда они едут?
3)Что это?
4)Что вы едите ночью?
5)Кто Вера любит?
6)Куда Слоны идут?

Date: 2006-12-19 04:23 am (UTC)
oryx_and_crake: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
Everything is fine, just the pronoun in #5 should be in accusative, because the person Vera loves is not acting, but acted upon. Vera is in nominative because she is the actor.
And the word order is not quite correct im several cases - normally the main questioning pronoun comes first, the verb second and then the rest. E.g. "Где живут Петр и Вера Смирновы?" However, "Куда они едут?" and "Что вы едите?" is correct. Note that the word order may change in some cases, e.g. if you have an opposition: "Куда вы едете? А куда едут они?" and "Куда они едут? А вы куда едете?" "Вы куда едете? А они куда едут?" is all correct. (Hope I have not finally confused you :-))

Date: 2006-12-19 04:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] annyway.livejournal.com
1) Где живут Вера и Пётр Смирновы?
5) Кого любит Вера?
6) Куда идут слоны?

Date: 2006-12-19 04:24 am (UTC)
oryx_and_crake: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
P.S. #4 is fine, and "ночью" should be in the end, indeed.

Date: 2006-12-19 11:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oiseau-russe.livejournal.com
It may be in the beginning also. When it il in the end it means that it is in the night that you eat your soupe and bread. When you write it in the beginning it means that it is soupe and bread that you eats by night.

Date: 2007-01-06 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 17abel.livejournal.com
Что вы едите ночью?

В русском языке как правило вопрос задается интонацией =)) Одно и тоже предложение может нести разный смысл...

For example:

Она его любит.
Она его любит?
Она его любит!
Она его любит...

Date: 2007-01-06 09:19 pm (UTC)
oryx_and_crake: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
Thank you for your contribution. Please note that the working language of this community is English. It is OK to occasionally post in Russian but you are expected to provide a translation.

Date: 2007-01-06 09:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 17abel.livejournal.com
Ok
I am sorry, I never read the ruls =)) Я всегда делаю все методом тыка.

by the way

What is "метод тыка" in English?

Date: 2007-01-06 11:47 pm (UTC)
oryx_and_crake: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
trial and error method

Date: 2007-01-08 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uzverkms.livejournal.com
метод проб и ошибок in russian ;)
but "метод тыка" something else...

Date: 2007-01-08 02:46 pm (UTC)
oryx_and_crake: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
Sure, you are welcome to suggest your own version.

Date: 2006-12-19 04:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miram.livejournal.com
5. Кого Вера любит?
6. слоны (no capital C)

4. When referring to the time between 6-12 PM or so, Russians say "вечер" (noun), "вечером" (adverb). The words "ночь, ночью" are used for later time (say, 12-6 AM or so), when people usually sleep and don't eat. Therefore your phrase # 4 sounds rather odd.

Date: 2006-12-19 04:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wire-shock.livejournal.com
Кого любит Вера? is much better.

Date: 2006-12-19 04:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mophu.livejournal.com
1) в СИбири :)

Date: 2007-01-07 07:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mophu.livejournal.com
это было исправление ошибки. Ударение ни при чем

Date: 2006-12-19 05:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miram.livejournal.com
Also,

1. "в Субири" has a typo; "в Сибири" is OK.
2. Your phrase #2 ends with "train", not "home". Perhaps the preceding question should be not "where", but "by what transport" -- "На чём они едут", or both: "Куда и на чём они едут?". That's because the rheme (the new information, not known before) usually gos at the end of the sentence. (Sometimes it may stand at the beginning; other positions are far less common.)

Date: 2006-12-19 06:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] litprince.livejournal.com
1. Где живут Петр и Вера Смирновы? (порядок слов)
2. Что они сейчас делают?
3. Когда вы едите суп и хлеб? (because ночью is on the last place - meaning accent)
4. Кого любит Вера?
5. Куда слоны идут?

from native speaker)

Date: 2006-12-19 11:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oiseau-russe.livejournal.com
Кула идут слоны? I'd rather say

Date: 2006-12-19 09:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hound-lancer.livejournal.com
1. word order Где живут Вера и Пётр Смирновы? In this case we put the fully meaningful verb to the position where English has the auxilliary.
2. questionable. But I'm inclined to agree with miram, На чем они едут домой? That is by what means they are going home.
3. variable. You can just as well place the question mark after the initial sentence and get "Is this an interesting book?". Это интересная книга?
4. ok.
5. in Russian it's not Who, it's Whom. Кого любит Вера?
6. again, word order. Куда идут слоны? And make sure you don't capitalize the elefants. It's not German :)))

Date: 2006-12-19 11:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] capitan-blood.livejournal.com
1) Где сейчас сидят эти американские шпионы? - Пётр и Вера Смирновы живут в Сибири.
2) Почему вам приспичило взрывать этот мост именно сейчас? - Сейчас они едут домой на поезде.
3) Зачем ты читаешь эту бредятину? - Это интересная книга.
4) Почему ты такой жирный? - Я ем суп и хлеб ночью.
5) Почему Верка дает Ваньке на халяву? - Вера любит Ивана.
6) Ну все, это белая горячка… У меня глюки? - Слоны идут в зоопарк.

Date: 2006-12-19 12:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aisman.livejournal.com
4) я ночью не ем, а сплю, как все нормальные люди.

Date: 2006-12-19 02:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] megilla.livejournal.com
я ем. я ненормальный.
:)

Date: 2006-12-19 03:27 pm (UTC)
oryx_and_crake: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
Please note that the working language of this community is English. It is OK to occasionally post in Russian but you are expected to provide a translation. Also please try to avoid off-topic comments and remarks that don't add anything to the discussed subject. Thank you.

Date: 2006-12-19 01:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dvanoltri.livejournal.com
Зачем Слоны идут в зоопарк? Обычно они идут на Север, но точно не по клеткам расходятся...

Date: 2006-12-19 03:27 pm (UTC)
oryx_and_crake: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oryx_and_crake
Please note that the working language of this community is English. It is OK to occasionally post in Russian but you are expected to provide a translation. Also please try to avoid off-topic comments and remarks that don't add anything to the discussed subject. Thank you.

Date: 2006-12-19 04:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vargtimmen.livejournal.com
Regarding the word order issue: the stressed word in a Russian sentence is the one that comes last. Don't remember it as "the verb comes last" or "the subject comes last" in a question. Because as oryx&crake said, "Где Вера и Пётр Смирновы живут?" could be correct if you were trying to say "Where in the hell do those guys live, anyway?". (Sidenote, in case you're interested: The particle же would be used as the equivalent to "in the hell" I believe, like "Где же...". The main difference is that in English there's no non-vulgar equivalent of же, it's always "(where) the f***" or "(where) in frig")

Date: 2007-01-06 06:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-kridma740.livejournal.com
PREVED, KROSSAVCHEGI!!!!
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