[identity profile] inoctiluci.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] learn_russian
Hi Everyone,

Are there any contemporary Russian authors or playwrights you'd recommend for learning Russian? I'm looking for something that will keep my attention and expose me to modern conversational Russian.

Thanks!

Date: 2006-12-17 12:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] k48.livejournal.com
I would recommend Евгений Гришковец.

Hope you'll be able to get a DVD of his play somewhere, I like especially "Как я съел собаку". I was really impressed.

As for literature, Russians are fond of Борис Акунин, try it: http://www.lib.ru/RUSS_DETEKTIW/BAKUNIN/

I like this one much: http://www.lib.ru/RUSS_DETEKTIW/BAKUNIN/akunin27.txt

Date: 2006-12-17 12:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] k48.livejournal.com
Oh, sorry, you wanted something modern and conversational. Here, this book, "Духless", has recently had a great success: http://lib.aldebaran.ru/author/minaev_sergei/minaev_sergei_duhless_povest_o_nenastoyashem_cheloveke/minaev_sergei_duhless_povest_o_nenastoyashem_cheloveke.rtf.zip

It's about life in modern Moscow: clubs, drugs, etc...

Date: 2006-12-17 02:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faustin.livejournal.com
+1 on Гришковец, I was going to comment just to recommend his Реки.

Date: 2006-12-17 02:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] k48.livejournal.com
I wonder if English-speaking users around here know what "+1" is :)) Do they have something similar?

Date: 2006-12-17 03:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faustin.livejournal.com
It's not commonly used among Americans. I heard that some Americans on Usenet and BBS groups started this, but I don't think it's true. On LJ I've only seen it used by Russians. The +1 custom makes sense though, and I think it would be useful if Americans would adopt it. Instead they say nothing, because it would be 'uncool' merely to 'second' someone else's comment. I think, a few years ago, there were specific insults for people who simply 'seconded' someone else's comment, especially if the comment was positive.

I really admire Гришковец for his writing style, which I fell in love with before I saw him performing --- and of course his performances are brilliant (I can't understand most of it -- I have to step through it slowly and translate most words).

I often ask friends and students, whose judgment I respect, for recommendations or simply to get them to talk about cultural sources they are influenced by, and Борис Акунин would have been my very next recommendation.

Date: 2006-12-17 04:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] padruka1988.livejournal.com
I don't know which Americans you're talking about, but all of the Americans I know use the +1 system..... It's not necessarily +1, though, it could be like +1000 to say, "I agree with you 100% and I could not have said it any better, etc"

Date: 2006-12-17 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] faustin.livejournal.com
If my statement is controversial, the appropriate response is to say what experience you're drawing your conclusion from. So: what internet communities have you observed this on?

My own experience is neither perfect nor consistent, especially for trends starting after 2001.

From 1993 to 2001, I managed discussion forums on the internet both professionally and as a hobby. I've managed more than 85 discussion forums, from Usenet groups, BBSs, email-only lists, web site forums under 8+ different software-bbs systems, my own website forums (my own domain names), and professional systems using enterprise softwares like Lotus Notes. I've programmed, designed, moderated, created, built, managed, destroyed, debated, and done statistical analysis on, more than 50 forums.

I can speak quite confidently and certainly of the behaviors I observed on the forums I managed. I saw '+1' used exactly zero times.

Of course, I've participated in another 30+ forums, exclusively in the English language, most of these were predominantly with Americans.

I first saw reference to the +1 custom in 2006 on an internet page that was hosted in Europe, it was a list of internet language and abbreviations, and that's where I read the rumor that +1 was started by Americans -- I remember because it surprised me.

I've since seen the +1 tradition used widely in regional discussion lists and forums in Russia only, consisting only of Russians. On LiveJournal, I only participate in a few communities: linguaphiles, psychology, economics, and several others; on LiveJournal I have *only* seen +1 used by Russians in [Unknown site tag] and [livejournal.com profile] learn_russian.

Because of my experience, I think the custom definitely started after 2002, and IF it is used by Americans, I presume it's used in forums that I do NOT use, since I've never seen it, and I generally only participate in American forums. I'm aware of popular forums such as MySpace, LinkedIn, Ringo, and a few others that I do not use.

Personally, I used it above only because I'd seen Russians using it in this forum so I knew it would be understood, and it's the first time I've ever used it. :-)

Date: 2006-12-17 07:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nymphatacita.livejournal.com
I use it all the time, too.

Date: 2006-12-19 12:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nadyezhda.livejournal.com
I adopted +1 from russian users. I think it's great.

Date: 2006-12-17 04:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tchr.livejournal.com
I would recommend modern russian fantastic literature. 'Coz it's entertaining and intriguing. In my opinion.

Пелевин, Лукьяненко, Олди (Громов и Ладыженский), Громов, Филенко, Валентинов, супруги Дяченки, Логинов and so on.

Most of this textes easy downloadable from any of russian web-library.

But i should warn you: beware the jabberwock... ahem, beware modern russian pen-pushers.

Date: 2006-12-17 05:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-roumor.livejournal.com
i would recommend A.B.Strugatskie (Аркадий и Борис Стругацкие).
imho its teh best ever written in russian.

http://www.rusf.ru/abs/
authors made all their books avalible for free.

plus here http://www.lib.ru/STRUGACKIE/
(lib.ru itself is a nice source of russian or translated into russian books)

start with
Пикник на обочине
За миллиард лет до конца света
Град обреченный
Отягощенные злом
Обитаемый остров
Второе нашествие марсиан
Трудно быть богом

if you are more to some easy reading then Пелевин етц...

Date: 2006-12-17 09:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] belacane.livejournal.com
Виктория Токарева

Date: 2006-12-17 11:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] belacane.livejournal.com
http://larirom.hobi.ru/proza/proza_vtok.htm

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