conjugation

[lynxypoo.livejournal.com]

in my book it says that the 1st conjugation is marked by и in the 2nd person singular form, and that the 2nd conjugation is marked by a 'е' in the 2nd person singular form. I can understand this, but how is one supposed to figure out how to conjugate verbs just by seeing them, say in a dictionary, or reading an infinitive or somesuch in russian, then wanting to use the same word in a different form? I don't see how one can correctly conjugate without having clues in the infinitive, or having formal education on all the verbs in the russian language.

any thoughts, comments, suggestions? this is an odd step for me from spanish and french with their very specific ending markers (ar,er,ir,re)

спасибо!

Comments

[grand-sbor.livejournal.com]

AFAIR, the rule is like that.
All the verbs ending with -ить represent the 2nd conjugation, except брить (он бреЕт) and стелить (он стелЕт).
All the other verbs represent the 1st conjugation, except 11 verbs: гнать, держать, смотреть, видеть, слышать, дышать, обидеть, зависеть, терпеть, ненавидеть, вертеть.
It really reminds me the system of French.

[kehlen-crow.livejournal.com]

+1

There also is a "poem" helping to remember these 11 verbs

Гнать, дышать, держать, обидеть
Слышать, видеть, ненавидеть,
А ещё терпеть, вертеть
И зависеть, и смотреть.

[giantantattack.livejournal.com]

What about спать?

[grand-sbor.livejournal.com]

Hmm, it surely wasn't on the list, but it conjugates like a verb of the 2nd conjugation :-)

By the by, I've found one more verb belonging to the 1st conjugation alongside with брить and стелить. It's зиждиться. However, I don't think you meet it that often.

[giantantattack.livejournal.com]

Not to mention бить, вить, пить, шить, гнить, почить, и т.д.

And as far as second-conjugation verbs that resemble first-conjugation in their infinitive form, there are numerous more: ворчать, жужжать, лежать, дрожать, мычать, и т.д.

[grand-sbor.livejournal.com]

The question was how to distinguish the first and the second conjugation on the basis of the infinitive form.

After your examples I must admit I don't know :-)

[ilya1.livejournal.com]

Monosyllabic -ить verbs, in general, are 1st conjugation, I think.

[giantantattack.livejournal.com]

Exactly.

In general

[katya91670.livejournal.com]

In general if you see a verb with an ать ending it's a first conjugation and
ить is second. When you get to irregular verbs such as the ones mentioned in the previous posting, it does get tricky. But with time, even these are easy to figure out. However it is harder to learn these in a non-formal educational environment.

Good Luck! :)

[nadyezhda.livejournal.com]

Russian does have markers, it just takes some familiarity with the verbs.

There is no "standard" method to recognize how to conjugate the verbs, but a generally accepted form is that verbs come in two types of endings: type I and type II.

Type I usually have at' endings (verbs like chitat', to read); type II, it' (govorit' to speak). Of course there are exceptions and many other forms, but many verbs can be fit into these two categories.

[belacane.livejournal.com]

When it comes to learning verbs, i know in the begininning of my studies, I was introduced to carefully planned sets so as not to become too confused.

Besides a bit of rote memorization though, I found, the more I practice, the better it gets. I started by just looking them up (there are books of verb conjugations you can buy), and the more often I used them, the more they stuck.

Now I'm at a point where I almost feel it when I speak... it sounds right, or it doesn't. And if it isn't right, chances are the person I'm with will correct me (or if i'm unsure, i'll look it up).
If i'm corrected, I always make it a point to repeat the whole sentence in my head or out loud (if possible) to get it to stick more. (or on paper)
I've started to note a lot of patterns in verb conjugation that I wasn't outright taught.

If you're serious enough about learning the language, you'll find yourself automatically seeking out opportunities to read, speak, listen to and write russian.

I think the most important thing is to be aware of your mistakes, and self correct as often as you can. The students I've known that don't speak correct russian tend be in that position because first - they don't seek out ways to improve and practice on their own and/or second - they don't make it a point to embrace mistkaes and corrections and use themas a learning tool.


Of course I can't speak for all students.... but that's my general opinion.

gl!

[wileyokiley.livejournal.com]

501 Russian Verbs (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0764113496/sr=8-1/qid=1145415676/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-6487722-3376909?%5Fencoding=UTF8). It's just the best thing since sliced хлеб.

[lynxypoo.livejournal.com]

hah! i have that for spanish, and i was tempted to get it for french (2nd hand book, i wanted it so bad, but i needed to save my $5!)

someday i'll have a whole bookshelf devoted to 501 verb books!