Люблю еду (наверно)

[joliecanard.livejournal.com]

It seems I ask alot of food questions. Here's another:

свёкла/свекла: Ожегов 2003 gives only variant свёкла, but I've heard свекла (stress on 2nd syllable). Is variant 2 common prostorechie?

Is a kernel of corn ядро or зерно (or neither)?

Спасибо заранее.

Comments

[khathi.livejournal.com]

For the first question -- IIRC, both variant can be used interchangeably. Second one is more frequent in Southern dialects, however.
Second -- kernel is "ядро", but it can be used only to the types of grains which have one. "Зерно" as is would be just "grain".

[dimon37.livejournal.com]

I don't think I ever heard anybody say "кукурузное ядро". It's always "кукурузное зерно"

[khathi.livejournal.com]

But you can say "ядро кукурузного зерна". Like in "What maize oil is made of? Of grains' kernels" "Из чего делают кукурузное масло? Из ядер кукурузных зёрен".

[dimon37.livejournal.com]

"Из чего делают кукурузное масло? Из кукурузных зёрен"

[dimon37.livejournal.com]

grains do not have "ядро". Nuts can, but not grains.

[khathi.livejournal.com]

Well, that's not right. Corn grain consists of two parts: a soft and oily seed, which is used in oil production, and hard and starchy part, containing the energy store for the seed. The seed is sometimes called a kernel -- that's my point.

[gordin.livejournal.com]

Свёкла is spelled with a "ё" which always is under stress.
I would say that a person saying it with a stress on the second syllable will always be assumed to be provincial, not well-educated. At least in St. Petersburg, where the language snobs live.

[dimon37.livejournal.com]

No, in English the kernel is the whole seed, not some part of it.

[khathi.livejournal.com]

Might be, I won't object.

[wire-shock.livejournal.com]

It should be свёкла.
Свекла is vulgar, at least seems so in cities.

[isphir.livejournal.com]

Only "свЁкла" with the stress on the first syllable.
Sometimes you can hear verb "звонить" with the stress on the first syllable though the right variant is "звонИть". These are the most popular mistakes: words "свЁкла" и "звонИть".Be attentive! ;-)Good luck!

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

>the most popular mistakes: words "свЁкла" и "звонИть".

Those two aren't erroneous, they both are the correct ones.
свеклА and звОнить are mistakes, that's right.

[isphir.livejournal.com]

Да, мысль выражена "коряво". Я имела в виду, что эти ошибки наиболее распространенные, а варианты свЁкла и звонИть единственно правильные.

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

Oh please. The working language of this community is English. Please provide translation if you comment in Russian.

[oryx_and_crake]

Please note that the working language of this community is English.

[unlightened.livejournal.com]

They definitely are mistakes, formally, but you know, when majority deviates from the norm, the deviation becomes the norm itself :) F.e. in my city (not a deep province, 450 km from Moscow and 550 thnds population) I would hardly find a man saying свЁкла. So our verdict should be that stress on first syllable is a literary and high style, and stress on second is a very widely used colloquial variant.

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

That's what it is. This doesn't make it a rule or a norm, though. At least, not yet :)