Cases and such

[theminion.livejournal.com]

My Professor requires that, as practise, we put Интересныи студент into all cases (Nom, Gen, Acc, INST, Prep), and include singluar and plural for each case.
Problem is, I forget the rules for doing so, and we've never actually done plural for the cases.
Can anyone help me?

~Ryan

Edit: Thanks everyone!

Comments

[alexbogd.livejournal.com]

Nom Sg. интересный студент - Pl. интересные студенты
Gen интересного студента - интересных студентов
Dat интересному студенту - интересным студентам
Acc интересного студента - интересных студентов
Instr интересным студентом - интересными студентами
Prep об интересном студенте - об интересных студентах


Но вообще странное выражение :)

[theminion.livejournal.com]

Thank you so much.
That's a great help.

~Ryan

[alexbogd.livejournal.com]

The rules for the cases are too complicated to describe them in a comment. There are many types of declension :)

[theminion.livejournal.com]

I was afraid of that.
Well, at least I have a frame to use

~Ryan

[oryx_and_crake]

Oh, come on, there are only three paradigms. (OK, I agree that you have to multiply by two for singular and plural and there are also some subtleties with the adjectives but anyway it is not as there is an infinite set of rules without any order or logic to it.)

[b0bb.livejournal.com]

> Oh, come on, there are only three paradigms.

Dare to list?

[alexbogd.livejournal.com]

Only three?
http://www.slovari.ru/lang/ru/ivoc/ojsh/ojsh_skl.html

[superslayer18.livejournal.com]

does the animate accusitive always decline like the gen, or was that just a coincidence?

[alexbogd.livejournal.com]

Well, there are many details in this isuue...
I've found an article that gives some instructions, but it's in Russian.

http://www.spelling.spb.ru/rosenthal/alpha/r151.htm

[alexbogd.livejournal.com]

There are just too many rules for animate and inanimate nouns...

http://www.slovari.ru/lang/ru/ivoc/ojsh/ojsh_skl.html

In general, in the first declension (завод, студент, окно) the inanimate have Acc=Nom, animate Gen=Acc.
in the second declension (земля, кошка) there are no animate/inanimate
in the third declension (радость, любовь, мышь) Acc=Nom

[padruka1988.livejournal.com]

I'm afraid to say "ALWAYS" so... and no native Russian speaker hold me to this... but from my experience, the animate accusative declines just like the genitive in each example for masculine nouns not ending in ь. I can't think of any off the top of my head (masculine nouns ending in myaki znak) but knowing a language that has to have as many exceptions to it as Russian has... there probably are such nouns.

[philena.livejournal.com]

There's a whole bunch of animate masculine nouns ending in ь: читатель, конь, for example: Я вижу читатля, я вижу коня, and so on.

Funnily enough, though, there is only one masculine noun that is third-declension: путь. However, it is inaminate (it means 'path') and so doesn't affect this discussion.

[katrushkita.livejournal.com]

There are no real rules for case endings - you just need to memorize them. Your text probably has some examples in the appendix.

Seems like a strange exercise if you aren't sure how to use the cases yet (неинтересный профессор)...
nom: sing: Интересный студент, pl:Интересные студенты

gen and acc (because student is animate): sing: Интересного студента, pl: Интересных студентов

prep: sing:Интересном студенте,pl: Интересных студентах

dative (you didn't mention this one but I assume you want it too): sing: Интересному студенту, pl: Интересным студентам

inst: sing:Интересным студентом, pl:Интересными студентами

I am just a learner too, so I can't guarantee accuracy

[theminion.livejournal.com]

My "text" is a 60 page booklet my Professor wrote, and while it is useful, a proper text book is better for back tracking and vocabulary.

~Ryan

[katrushkita.livejournal.com]

Masculine animate accusative declines the same as genitive. I am slow, looks like others beat me to it!

[katrushkita.livejournal.com]

To clarify: masc animate accusative and plural feminine animate accusative decline like genitive; feminine singular accusative is different (for both animate and inanimate).

[ashalynd.livejournal.com]

Have a look here, if you need to know more about Russian grammar: http://www.alphadictionary.com/rusgrammar/

[mangiami.livejournal.com]

Type each word in Russian into the blank on this site (http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/morphque.cgi?flags=wygtnnn). It will give you every form you could possibly need, plus stress. However, you really should learn all the cases and all the forms, because it's really important to speaking.

[theminion.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I'm in the middle of learning the cases, I was just stuck in a rough spot.

~Ryan

[spazzling21.livejournal.com]

So, I hope this helps. I took pictures of the charts from my book and then the chart I made that summarizes them. WARNING: VERY, VERY BIG JPG FILES.

Masculine and Neuter Nouns (http://www.umich.edu/~kawilli/nouns1.JPG)

Feminine Nouns (and some Pronouns) (http://www.umich.edu/~kawilli/nouns2.JPG)

Adjectives (http://www.umich.edu/~kawilli/adj.JPG)

My cheat sheet. (http://www.umich.edu/~kawilli/mychart.JPG)

[theminion.livejournal.com]

That, is perfect.
What text is that?

~Ryan

[spazzling21.livejournal.com]

Nachalo. There's two books, but the first one is chapters 1-7 and the second is 8-14.

[theminion.livejournal.com]

Note to self: Buy this book.

~Ryan

[spazzling21.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I really liked it. It's pretty straightforward, but the organization could use a little work.

[theminion.livejournal.com]

As long as it has a glossary and a table of contents.
And it's bound

~Ryan

[spazzling21.livejournal.com]

LoL. That, it is.

[theminion.livejournal.com]

Then it's settled.
I need to buy it.

~Ryan