[identity profile] gnomygnomy.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] learn_russian
Is there one word for Russian folk identity? I keep thinking it's something like народность, but I also keep thinking that I'm wrong.

Date: 2005-12-06 05:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yms.livejournal.com
Yes, one of the meanings of народность means something like this.

Date: 2005-12-06 05:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yms.livejournal.com
Another meaning is "a small nation without a state".
(You're welcome!)
Back to the first meaning, it means more exactly "closeness to Russian folk", "having a spirit of Russian folk" and was especially popular in the 19th century among higher social stratum.

Date: 2005-12-06 06:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hound-lancer.livejournal.com
Bearing in mind all the connotations of "highly spiritual simple people" idealized by aforesaid higher stratum...

Date: 2005-12-06 07:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oscar-6.livejournal.com
It's "самобытность".

Date: 2005-12-06 09:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] michmanm.livejournal.com
"народность" is "a small nation without a state" ? or you means russian folk ?!

To Nomi: I can't understand, how you want to describe Russian folk or other by one word? It's impossible, because folk has many side's of art.... For example:
Russian folk has writing side("Былины, сказки.."), painting side ("Рисунок по дереву (Хохлома)...") etc.
"народность" is a general side for each other folk...

I'm sorry for my English, if I made mistake's, correct me please...

Date: 2005-12-06 10:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yms.livejournal.com
"народность" is "a small nation without a state" ? or you means russian folk ?!

I didn't understand this, sorry.
"Народность" is a term meaning something between a nation (нация) and a tribe (племя).

Date: 2005-12-06 10:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wolk-off.livejournal.com
Note that the word народность in Russian has two different meanings.
Народность as a description of a certain enthnic group really means "a small nation without a state" - didn't you know that? There's a firm difference between народ, народность, племя, этническая группа etc. You cannot say "русская народность" in this sense, only "русский народ".
The original poster's question has much to do with the other meaning of "народность" - the name of a quality, not of an ethnic group. As a quality, "народность" means exactly "closeness to Russian folk" - as in the famous formula: "Православие, самодержавие, народность".

Date: 2005-12-06 10:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] michmanm.livejournal.com
Ok, thank you :)

Date: 2005-12-06 04:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zweifler.livejournal.com
национальное самосознание is very close. It's often used and it means folk's feeling of its unity, greatness and identity.
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