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[nadyezhda.livejournal.com]

I can never remember the phrases for "Let's use tyi," "Don't "tyi" me," etc.

In a relationship that started out formally (I mean friendship, not dating) should the person in "higher authority" be the one to suggest using "tyi"?

Comments

[oryx_and_crake]

"Давай перейдем на ты", "Можно на ты?"
"Не тыкай(те) мне, пожалуйста"

I don't think that there is a strict etiquette rule on who suggests using "ty" first, but if the social distance is quite big, then using "ty" is unlikely anyway, and if the friends are more or less equal then it does not matter who is the first to suggest using "ty".

[viata.livejournal.com]

I'm pretty sure, you're not going to get any common instructions. It's all up to you, up to your understanding of a situation. You set the rules for yourself.
1. On one hand "ty" might be a sign of close relations:
Пустое "вы" сердечным "ты"
она, обмолвясь, заменила
и все счастливые мечты
в душе влюблённой возбудила

2. On the other hand it might be a sign of disrespect:
А ты мне не "тыкай"! (sounds rather rude)
Не тыкай мне, пожалуйста (a bit more polite)
Не тыкайте мне, пожалуйста (polite)

But the difference between those situations is too obvious to make a mistake, I suppose. If you ask somebody you want to make friends with "Может, перейдём на "ты"?" - you are defenitely not about to offence anybody. The worst answer would be "Думаю, пока рано".
Sure, it's not the best idea to say "ты" to the elderly people, to a professor or to your boss, but otherwise it'll not make a really big difference.

Anyway, you can just ask a person what is preferable: "ты" or "вы". It's always OK to ask.

[aciel.livejournal.com]

Wow. I never realized this was so complicated. Do people ever spontaneously just start using ты, or is there always this discussion beforehand?

[rottenshworz.livejournal.com]

just use "ты" and change it on "вы" only after "а чё это ты мне тыкаешь?"
~__^

[ars-longa.livejournal.com]

Depends. It's mostly a 'feeling', not a rule, unless it's your teacher or boss. But yes, you better ask. I'm usually wary of people who are using ты with me being not my friends or classmates. But if the person is really pleasant I'll let it be without any bad feelings.

[viata.livejournal.com]

It's not complicated, all you need - is a bit of practice among the native spekers. Or just read and listen - you'll see the difference. It's not a rule but it's how you feel. I can use "ты" spontaneously sometimes with somebody and none of us realises when we forgot about "вы". But it sure makes no harm to ask first. By asking you just let people know, that you are not trying to be bossy or offensive or push the relarionship forward.

[terminator-nemo.livejournal.com]

There is one rule, which I know for sure.
A jentleman can neber offer to a lady to transfer their way to communicate from ты to вы. Only a lady may propose that to a jentleman, but not vise versa.