безалаберный -- my new favorite word

[serialcondition.livejournal.com]

hi

a couple of questions

I came across this word -- угличскую ("угличскую драму") -- no luck finding translation for it; I tried "угличский" -- nothing; what does it mean?

UPD mystery resolved -- it's an adj. derived from a name of a town

also I came across -- безалаберный -- a wonderful word; I understand what it means; but is there an online dictionary/resource where word origins/roots are explained? I'd be curious to find out about this word

thank you

t.

Comments

[gordin.livejournal.com]

Углич is a town in Russia. One, where a Russian prince Dmitriy was killed. The word is just an adjective referring to the town.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uglich

[serialcondition.livejournal.com]

aha now it makes sense -- a capital letter would have helped

[oryx_and_crake]

normally you don't put a capital letter in such cases: русский, американский, московский, угличский are not capitalised.

[serialcondition.livejournal.com]

which makes people like me go mad with looking things up
:)

[gordin.livejournal.com]

Not the biggest problem with Russian, I guess. ;)

[yms.livejournal.com]

the suffix -ский may indicate that after searching in a dictionary you should search in the map... :)

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

Or, just throw away -ский and google the remaining part :)

[gordin.livejournal.com]

Well, in Russian, capitals are only used for nouns representing names of different kinds. An adjective from that noun, nor, say, 'Russian language' are written starting with a capital letter.

[mricon.livejournal.com]

The way to remember this rule is: if it's a proper noun, but has a "ск" suffix, it shouldn't be capitalized. Examples:

Россия, российский
Америка, американский
Китай, китайский

[serialcondition.livejournal.com]

and thanks for the link
it looks fascinating -- putting it on my list of "dream places to visit in Russia"

[gordin.livejournal.com]

ehhh...
I wouldn't recommend you doing so. It'll break your dreams.
(Not discussing this, just for your notice)

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

Why, I've been there and it wasn't bad at all. Just an old, slowly decaying small town.

[serialcondition.livejournal.com]

"decaying" makes me want to go there
people have all sorts of tastes and interests...

[definite.livejournal.com]

Yes, I've been there six month ago and the town was really facinating. A lot of museums of all sorts, including a museum of vodka, a museum of life in prison and a museum of archaic witchcraft and devilry. And in the town of Myshkin not far from Uglich there is world largest museum of mice. :)

[hellga.livejournal.com]

I don't know about origins of безалаберный, but as far as your first question, угличский means something from Uglich, a town in Northern part of European Russia, on the Volga river.

[serialcondition.livejournal.com]

thanks -- it makes sense now

Origin of безалаберный

[g0mez.livejournal.com]

http://spravka.gramota.ru/buro.html?action=bytext&findstr=%E0%EB%E0%E1%EE%F0%E8%F2%FC

Re: Origin of безалаберный

[serialcondition.livejournal.com]

very interesting

is алаборщина archaic? yandex returned only 45 hits -- not a very popular word

Re: Origin of безалаберный

[g0mez.livejournal.com]

Definitely it is. Archaic/local.

Re: Origin of безалаберный

[serialcondition.livejournal.com]

very cool word
thank you

Re: Origin of безалаберный

[kalaus.livejournal.com]

More in Vasmer's etymological dictionary:

Безалаберный

Near etymology: также безала́борный (Преобр.). Произведено от ала́бор "порядок", которое до сих пор объяснялось неудовлетворительно: от лат. elaborāre (см. ала́бор), нем. albern (Горяев; против. см. Ягич, AfslPh 15, 603), д.-в.-н. alwa^ri (Маценауэр, LF 7, 7) и тюрк. alp är (Гордлевский, ОЛЯ 6, 326); см. об этом ниже, на олберы.
http://makeashorterlink.com/?J53222CFB

Re: Origin of безалаберный

[serialcondition.livejournal.com]

thank you
I see there's an etymological dictionary on that site -- very helpful for the future