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[wolfie-18.livejournal.com]

Pardon my ignorance, but what's the difference between деепричастие and the gerund?

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[belacane.livejournal.com]

i'm under the impression that they are one and the same.

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

It's quite wrong, then :)

[oblomov-jerusal.livejournal.com]

Деепричастие cannot serve as noun.

[snopova.livejournal.com]

В русском нет понятия герундия, если вы о русском.

В английском некоторые филологи предпочитают говорить ing-form, а не деепричастие и герундий.
В принципе это почти одно и то же: ing-form от 1 формы глагола. Разница в употреблении: перед герундием может стоять артикль, например, потому что герундий может быть в функции существительного, а деепричастие, сами понимаете, нет. Деепричастие само по себе не может быть подлежащим, а герундий может.

[snopova.livejournal.com]

There is no gerund in Russian)

Some philologists use the term 'ing-form' and not 'the gerund' or 'the adverbial participle'. The gerund can serve as the subject, the adverbial participle itself can't. The gerund can have an article 'a' or 'the'.

well -drat!-

[shrewreader.livejournal.com]

Wish I'd had you to explain it to me when I was trying to learn деепричастие the first time. Would have made the 2nd half of college much easier!

(as a side note, can someone tell me where I'm likely to find the hard vowel и frequently called the '61' by 1st year students on a keyboard? I've gone through the whole thing (twice) with and without shift key engaged and be damned if I can find it....)

Re: well -drat!-

[snopova.livejournal.com]

Do you mean Й?
On my keyboard it is together with Q.

Re: well -drat!-

[snopova.livejournal.com]

And thanx for having been so very kind to my modest remark)))

Re: well -drat!-

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

Ы? On my standard Windows keyboard it shares the key with Latin S.

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

As kotjus_sova notes above, there is no gerund in Russian. There is the adverbial participle which is strictly a verb form and thus cannot be the subject of a sentence, while gerund, being a "verbal noun," can be it alright. Some Russian verbs having no adverbial participial form (деепричастие) at all, like "to sew" (шить) or "to sleep" (спать), so you have to use other means to translate corresponding English gerund, like:
She sat there sewing - Она сидела [там] и шила.
I like to see her sleeping - мне нравится смотреть, как она спит.

[wolfie-18.livejournal.com]

Who about "Sewing, she glared at me with an evil eye?"

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

Она злобно смотрела на меня, пока шила.
OR:
Она шила и злобно смотрела на меня :)

[sergey-chernov.livejournal.com]

[Сидя] за шитьем?

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

Not really good, but possible; note that yuo substitute a verb form with a noun here, thus obviously going too far :))

[sergey-chernov.livejournal.com]

Из-за шитья?

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

No way. It's just stylistically wrong: the reader canot determine if the sewing was the cause of evil looks, or "she" was glaring from behind of what she was sewing :)

[temcat.livejournal.com]

Aren't nouns like блокирование, вынашивание, заряжание equivalent to gerund? AFAIK they are called отглагольные существительные.