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[beltspinner.livejournal.com]

My friend has a picture of a cathedral with "храм покрава на рву", which I assumed is in Russian. The building kinda looks like this


I see that храм means "temple", but is the rest just the name of it? Or not in Russian at all?
Thanks

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[mithgol.livejournal.com]

“Temple” also; e.g. «Knights Templar» „Рыцари Сионского Храма“

[mithgol.livejournal.com]

«Храм Покрова на рву» — here «покров», most likely, means Покров Пресвятой Богородицы. (http://encycl.yandex.ru/art.xml?art=brokminor/32/32437.html&encpage=brokminor&mrkp=http%3A//hghltd.yandex.com/yandbtm%3Furl%3Dhttp%253A//encycl.yandex.ru/texts/brokminor/32/32437.html%26text%3D%25EF%25EE%25EA%25F0%25EE%25E2%26reqtext%3D%25EF%25EE%25EA%25F0%25EE%25E2%253A%253A131820%26%26isu%3D2)

Yes, it's in Russian.

[mithgol.livejournal.com]

„ров“ means a ditch

[nale.livejournal.com]

"Ditch"?! :D Are you sure it's not "moat"?

[miram.livejournal.com]

Both.

[nale.livejournal.com]

You mean that Russian "ров" stands both for the thing used for drainage and the thing used in fortification? Isn't "a ditch" more like "канава"?

[miram.livejournal.com]

Well, it seems that "moat" is only "ров", while "ditch" can be: канава, ров, канал, траншея, котлован, окоп... Here are three definitions from dictionaties:

(Ushakov:)

РОВ, рва, ·муж. Глубокая канава, длинное углубление, вырытое в земле. Крепостной ров. «Для коней и для пехоты камни есть у нас и рвы». Пушкин.

(Ozhegov:)

РОВ, рва, мн. рвы, рвов, муж. Длинное, с высокими откосами углубление в земле. Вырыть р. Глубокий р. Р., заполненный водой. Противотанковый р. |уменьш. ровик, -а, муж.

(Yefremova:)

РОВ м. Длинная глубокая канава, размытая водой или вырытая в земле.

[nale.livejournal.com]

All right then, touché.

It's just I suspect that it made less sense defining a temple as standing on a ditch - ditches are everywhere, whereas a moat in a city is more topographically significant, so to speak.

[oryx_and_crake]

The complete name of the temple is Храм Покрова Богородицы на рву; Покров Богородицы (Our Lady's Holy Veil of Protection) is a church feast celebrated by Russian Orthodox Church on the 14th of October. "На рву" means "upon the moat" - this addition to the church name was made to distinguish it from all other churches of Pokrov; there are a great many.

[apollotiger.livejournal.com]

So, there's a single word in Russian for “Holy Veil of Protection”?

[oryx_and_crake]

покров literally means just a veil or cover, but Покров as in Church of Pokrov means this... kind of... protection field that God's Mother holds over Russia. (Exactly like "lady" in Our Lady means not just any lady but Holy Virgin, Mother of God).

Here are some icons of Pokrov if you are interested.
http://obraza11.narod.ru/pokrov.html

[miram.livejournal.com]

The English for "Покров пресвятой Богородицы" is "The Protection of Our Most Holy Lady the Theotokos and Ever-Virgin Mary", the feast is celebrated Oct. 1/14, it is specifically Orthodox. "На рву" = 'at/on the ditch', referring most probably to the topographical situation of the building. "Ров" has a fugitive vowel: Gen. (нет) рва, Dat. (ко) рву, Acc. (вижу) ров, Instr. (этим) рвом, Prep. (об этом) рве/(в этом) рву.

[ekeme-ndiba.livejournal.com]

By the way, this photo looks like Holy Lifegiving Trinity Church in Ostankino, Moscow. If you want to find the picture of Our Lady's Holy Protection Cathedral on the Ditch, try searching "St. Basil the Blessed" — it's the colloquial name of this church.

[lexabear.livejournal.com]

How do you ever pronounce "рву"? Does the р get kinda attached to на so it sounds more like "нар ву"? Or is this just something my poor Anglo tongue will never manage?

[ijona-tihaja.livejournal.com]

Does the р get kinda attached to на so it sounds more like "нар ву"?

No. The word рву can be easily pronounced separatley, without на...

But for Russian tongue it's difficult to say something like "oaths".

[oryx_and_crake]

When you speak at normal speed you don't make stops between words anyway. So, it will sound like "нарву". (In English, you don't say "a (pause) dog", right? You say something that sounds rather like "adog". Same in Russian.)

[squadette.livejournal.com]

"храм" in orthodox tradition is translated as "church"

"temple" is non-christian "храм"

if I'm not mistaken