Hopefully this makes sense

[hopeinagpa.livejournal.com]

I just had a conversation with a bright молодой человек (haha...or is it in this case better to use "парень"--he's 21, or should I just specify and say "студент" to avoid the mess?) who is visiting the US for the summer to work on his English. When the topic of lunch came up, he said, "я не голоден." Now here're two (more) questions:

1. To say "I'm not hungry either", can I use "я тоже", or since there's a gender change, must I instead repeat the phrase and change "голоден" to "голодна"?

2. (if I understood him correctly) my friend said that girls, instead of saying "я не голодна", should say "я не проголодалась". Is that really true? Are girls supposed to express hunger differently than guys or something?

Comments

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

1. Я тоже не голодна. That would be OK.
2. I think he was either cheating you, or he grew up surrounded by very manner-ish girls who like to distort very simply phrases in order to look more, er, refined :)

[hopeinagpa.livejournal.com]

Maybe it's a Kazakh thing?

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

Why Kazakh??? 8-)

[hopeinagpa.livejournal.com]

he's from Kazakhstan...

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

But you were speaking Russian with him, right? Not Kazakh? ;-)

[insaint.livejournal.com]

1. "я тоже" is fine. You don't have to explicitly repeat the sentence and change genders. Alternatively, you could say "я тоже нет" or "и я нет" just to emphasize that you're not hungry.

2. WTF is he on? :) There is no difference in how guys and girls express hunger.

That being said, there is a subtle difference between the two phrases there. "я не голодна" means "I'm not hungry (right now). "я не проголодалась" means "I didn't get hungry". If someone's asking you if you want to eat something, you'd typically use the former. Or just say "нет" and be done with it. =)

[oliax.livejournal.com]

to 2.

as a sociologist I can say - there is a GENDER DISCRIMINATION :))
girls say everything they like - both "я не голодна" and "я не проголодалась". These 2 phrases have a little different meaning (depend on using, but this should not trouble you :))), but saying "!girls, instead of saying "я не голодна", should say "я не проголодалась"!" - this is (heh) профанация. Joke or so.

[ex-kurunir601.livejournal.com]

as a sociologist I can say - there is a GENDER DISCRIMINATION :))
\m/ :-) А у нас патриахат. \m/

[oliax.livejournal.com]

У кого у вас? :)))

[zloizloi.livejournal.com]

2. I never heard of such a rule :)
But, if you consider a positive answer to the same question, then "я проголодалась" sounds better, more gracious I would say, then "я голодна".

[hopeinagpa.livejournal.com]

and the same for the masculine forms?

[prosto-los.livejournal.com]

Despite the previous comments, I must mention that I too rarely heard "я не голоднА", but I do hear "я не голОдная", which by the way seems grammatically incorrect, but still :)

[solito.livejournal.com]

Why do you think it is grammatically incorrect? These are just two different forms of adjective. And both sound ok here. I can say:
Я не голоден
as well as
Да нет, я не голодный, спасибо!

[prosto-los.livejournal.com]

Maybe both are correct. It seems that "голоден" describes better the immediate state (at that specific moment), while "голодный" is a more general state.

[hopeinagpa.livejournal.com]

oi. complicated. I might as well just start eating.

[thebigcooke.livejournal.com]

I agree that the shortened form describes the state at that moment Я беременна meaning she is pregnant at the moment as opposed to она красивая meaning her general appearance.

[dair-spb.livejournal.com]

oh, then "она беременна" means "she's pregnant in general"? ;-)

[thebigcooke.livejournal.com]

No it would be something at the "moment." Pregnancy is a temporary state of being so it would be appropriate to use the shortened adjective for it.

[dair-spb.livejournal.com]

I was just kidding, sorry. Just tried to imagine woman "pregnant in general" ;-)


I mean, you can say either "она красива" or "она — красивая". The meaning is the same.
But shortened adjective is more used in this cases, opposed to "там стоит красивая девушка" ("There's beautiful girl standing") where you must use long form.

"Беременна" is less flexible — you can say "она — беременная" and it's grammatically correct but it sounds unnatural to me.

[ja-va.livejournal.com]

1. "я тоже нет" would be more correct way of saying it
2. Not true at all.