Irregular conjugations

[ya-stranen.livejournal.com]

Until yesterday, I wasn't aware of the first person singular conjugations of дать and all the verbs that have that stem. I always thought it was «даю», but to my suprise, it was «дам». I was also suprised by the third person singular conjugation—«даст». Now, I know that Russian has many irregular verbs, but are there any others that are this different?

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[kutsuwamushi.livejournal.com]

есть, "to eat", follows a similar pattern to дать: ем, ешь, ест, едим, едите, едят

Russian doesn't actually have that many irregular verbs, in my opinion - but the rules for conjugating them can be byzantine. Sometimes people find it more practical to memorize certain verbs as "irregular" rather than learn the pattern. It depends on your learning style, I guess.

If you consider a verb to be irregular if you can't predict the conjugation from the infinitive, then I suppose that the number of irregular verbs is a lot higher...

«даю»

That would be the first person singular of давать. =)

[superslayer18.livejournal.com]

Which also means "to give" right? It's just one of those silly -avat' verbs lol.

[kutsuwamushi.livejournal.com]

The definition of давать is by no means that narrow. It's a really common verb.

[oryx_and_crake]

What are the other verbs ending in -авать? I cannot think of any except преподавать which is actually the same verb only with a few prefixes in front.

[wolfie-18.livejournal.com]

вставать - встать
узнавать - узнать

I remember only because it deals with the grueling subject of knowing where the accent falls because it means the difference of doing it in the present or the future.

[oryx_and_crake]

Oh, right. Must be the heat - my poor brain is positively melting...

[wolfie-18.livejournal.com]

What's the temperature right now in Russia? I mean, really now, it can be no match for us South Floridians.

[oryx_and_crake]

No idea - I'm not in Russia, I'm in Canada :-)

[sverb.livejournal.com]

In Moscow - about 27C or something like that

[mricon.livejournal.com]

даю - first person present
дам - first person future

Я даю тебе розу. - I am giving you a rose.
Я дам тебе розу. - I will give you a rose.

[oryx_and_crake]

идти is also irregular.

Now when I think of it, "идти", "есть" and "давать" are irregular in English, too, and I have a feeling that they are irregular in other languages, too. (Not too sure on this one though.)

P.S. Даю is present, дам is future tense.

[oryx_and_crake]

also "быть" is highly irregular. Luckily, it is normally omitted when speaking in present tense.

[superslayer18.livejournal.com]

"to go" isn't really irregular in English... I go, you go, he goes, we go, they go...

If you're talking about "goes", it's only got the "e" in there to guide pronounciation or else people would pronounce it more like "guz" than "gOz".

Same for give... I give, you give, he gives, they give, we give. Did you mean something other than how they conjugate? meaning or usage perhaps?

[gdt.livejournal.com]

go - went - gone

[oryx_and_crake]

what about "went" or "gave"?

[superslayer18.livejournal.com]

ohhh past tense... i thought you meant it was irregular in the present tense and I was just like... 0_o

Gotcha ^_~

[oryx_and_crake]

P.S. Thinking about it again - it looks like what they gave you was specifically future tense forms, as даст is in future, too.

P.P.S. Please note that the verb дать, being a perfective one (which means it denotes an action that was either completed in the past or will be completed in future), does not have a present tense as such. Which is natural when you think of it.

Now, to make it into a resemblance of order

Давать: несовершенный глагол (imperfective verb)

Present:
я даю
ты даешь
он, она дает
мы даем
вы даете
они дают

Past:
я, ты, он давал
она давала
мы, вы, они давали

Future:
я буду давать
ты будешь давать
он, она будет давать
мы будем давать
вы будете давать
они будут давать


Дать: совершенный глагол (perfective verb)

Present: N/A

Past:
Я, ты, он дал
Она дала
Мы, вы, они дали

Future:
Я дам
Ты дашь
Он, она даст
Мы дадим
Вы дадите
Они дадут

[wolk-off.livejournal.com]

Please do not miss the main point - that the forms you mention, the forms that surprise you so much, are NOT present tense first (and third) person singular, but future tense 1st and 3rd tense singular. Future tense forms, as well as past tense forms, sometimes differ very much from the present tense and infinitive forms.

[dmitryle.livejournal.com]

The confusion is justified here: дам used to be the present tense form, as ем still is.

[kehlen-crow.livejournal.com]

When I was at school we were taught this "poem" of irregular verbs:

Гнать, дышать, держать, обидеть,
Слышать, видеть, ненавидеть,
А ещё терпеть, вертеть,
И зависеть, и смотреть - all these belong to II type of conjugation notwithstanding they end in "aть" and "еть".

Брить, стелить - belong to the I type.

[wolfie-18.livejournal.com]

Wait... is -еть ever a regularly conjugated verb? смотреть to me seems pretty regularly conjugated...

[kehlen-crow.livejournal.com]

Well, here is a wikipedia article concerning this.
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%BB

The verbs are divided into 2 types of conjugation
II - all verbs на "ить"
I - all else
and the above are exceptions.

[miram.livejournal.com]

"Краткая русская грамматика" (М., 1989) mentions 5 productive and 10 (with subsequent subdivisions) non-productive verbal classes, and besides several isolated verbs that don't fall into any, namely: зИждиться, зЫбить(ся), мяУкать, хотЕть, бежАть, чтить, есть, надоЕсть, дать, создАть, быть (as well as забЫть, добЫть, сбыть and other verbs with components -есть, -дать, -быть), ехать, идти.